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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by mensetmanusman »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #189

on this day several years ago, one of my mom's friends was on her way home when a random white asshole rolled down his windshield and screamed "Iranian bitch" at her. She was terrified and came to our house. My sister was convinced that they were going to start rounding us up. My dad put up a patriotic flag, not out fo patriotism, but out of fear of retaliation by people who didn't think we were patriotic enough. Non…

Unfortunately these types of people are everywhere. My Grandma grew up on an island of 100 and half were farmers, half were fishers. She was on the fishing side and wasn’t supposed to even dare talk to the lower cast farmers…

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by polytely »

tommymachine wrote: post #166
polytely wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So you're not winning the argument to take away my medical freedom That wasn't what I was trying to do at all, and I can't really see how you could get that from my initial reply, so I don't think we are going to agree on anything here, have a nice day.

You haven't seen how the moral imperative to stop the spread of that disease has been exaggerated well beyond practicality, and used to remove citizens' ability to consent to extremely profitable, taxpayer-funded medical experiments? It's a pretty direct line from what you're saying, (a moral imperative to "be careful") to what governments around the world have been trampling over people rights in order to do, which…

I'm from the Netherlands so not sure about the current US situation, but:

Firstly, Ok: I take full responsibility for advocating for a temporary reduction of rights to stop the spread of a novel virus with the aim of reducing strain on the healthcare system. I also think that we made the right choice, waiting for EMA approval before starting vaccinating.

Right now here about 77% of the people (17,4 million) has been fully vaccinated and everything except nightclubs and big festivals has been reopened. I went to see The Green Knight a couple of weeks ago, didn't need a mask, or proof of vaccination/negative test. People haven't died en-masse from the vaccines, so things are pretty good right now.

There is still a big backlog in delayed care right now, so if the seasonal aspect of covid means we gotta partially shut down some things the next winter, so be it.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by boomboomsubban »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #152
vmception wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We could have done regime change in Saudi Arabia and still had petrodollars Sometimes its useful to think inside the box But yeah current Saudi Arabia is a good deal for the US, hard to get others so heavily intertwined financially. Might as well not touch it.

I don’t really understand what US/allies get from maintaining a theocracy in SA, chevron and british petroleum predate the modern kingdom, right? why is it good business sense to let the royal family siphon cash like there’s no tomorrow? seems to me a political explanation is more likely, probably related to the holy war with Iran. In that case I never really understood why we took an anti-theocratic stance there.

Saudi Arabia broadly respects western wishes, they let the western companies make billions of dollars off their oil while the monarchy also makes billions of dollars. The West worries that if they rock the boat, a situation like Venezuela or Iran will happen, where the state tries to cut out the western companies from getting a cut.

Iran provides the perfect example of why we tolerate Saudi Arabia. From 1901 to 1951, Iran's oil was controlled primarily by the British. In 1951, a democratic movement lead to the nationalization of the oil industry, which quickly led to a CIA backed coup. For the next ~30 years, a Western backed dictatorship ruled and their violent rule lead to the 1979 revolution being overtly hostile to the West.

The West fears any other Saudi government would end up hostile to the West, given their decades of support for the monarchy.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by ogma »

tablespoon wrote: post #158
photochemsyn wrote: post #62

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…

> Additionally, the fact that members of the Saudi government aided and assisted the hijackers... Details? My understanding is a huge fraction of the Saudi population have jobs that amount to government sinecures (while immigrants do most of the real work). Are we talking about high-level members with real leadership positions, or some minor member of the royal family working in some ministry doing nothing and going…

A court affidavit filed on 3 February 2015 claims that Zacarias Moussaoui was a courier between Osama bin Laden and Turki bin Faisal Al Saud in the late 1990s, and that Turki introduced Moussaoui to Bandar.[76] Zacarias Moussaoui stated on oath and wrote to Judge George B. Daniels that Saudi royal family members, including Prince Bandar, donated to Al-Qaeda and helped finance the 11 September attacks.[77] The Saudi government continues to deny any involvement in the 9/11 plot, and claims there is no evidence to support Moussaoui's allegations in spite of numerous previous intense investigations, noting that Moussaoui's own lawyers presented evidence of his mental incompetence during his trial.[76] Leaked information from the redacted portion of the 9/11 Commission Report states that two of the 9/11 hijackers received $US130,000 in payment from Bandar's bank account.[78]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar_bin_Sultan_Al_Saud

Bush's close friend, known arms dealer... you guys still haven't figured this one out yet? HN is always the last to know.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by jakebasile »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #181
dharmab wrote: post #19

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There are very few days in history where so much changes in a single day. There's a very clear "before and after". In my opinion, the 1990s began on Nov 9 1989 and ended on Sep 11 2001.

Yes. I remember very well President Bush saying these attacks will not change America. I wish I could find a quote. One of the things it changed dramatically was air travel. Remember meeting family/friends at their arrival gate as they walked off the plane? Remember getting through "security" in a few minutes because the lines moved so fast? In the 1980s and early 1990s, my father routinely disassembled pistols and p…

You can still check firearms for air travel. It's actually a great way to ensure your bag doesn't get lost.

You have to go to the ticket agent, and say I need to check a firearm. There's a little red ticket form you fill out and place on your bag. Then you take it to a special drop off. It has to be in a locked hard case that only you can open.

See also: https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunit...

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Post by onion2k »

mlcrypto wrote: post #86
photochemsyn wrote: post #62

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…

Too many coincidences. Also we couldn't mobilize any fighter jets at all when a plane goes off course?

Few people would want to make a call to shoot down two full passenger jets over a city. With hindsight it would have been the right option, but at the time it's unlikely it would have happened even if there had been fighters with missiles available.

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Post by alphabetting »

zrail wrote: post #52
dragonwriter wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This might seem strange to some younger readers, but remember in 01-02 internet video (and, indeed, internet faster than dial-up) was not ubiquitous. And even if you used internet video (or, heck, even read news online), none of the sources (origins sites and Google and other portals) had the capacity to deal well with the major surge of associated with a event like 9/11. Everything online was spotty or broken unde…

I remember getting dismissed from school early and going to a friends house and trying to find news. The only site we could find that was actually responding was Slashdot, which went to text-only for the day and a few days following. Edit: the metafilter thread gives a horrific moment-by-moment update stream if that's something you want to read: https://www.metafilter.com/10034/Plane-crashes-in-to-the-wor...

Wow. thanks for sharing.

"This is going to be a big turning point in the history and character of this country, I think." posted by Doug at 6:51 AM on September 11, 2001

Doug was more right than he could have known.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by kristiandupont »

vmception wrote: post #85
leesalminen wrote: post #29

9/11 was my birthday, and I was just outside of NYC in school that day. I was in math class. The phone in the classroom rang and my teacher turned on the radio (1010 WINS) immediately. After hearing what had happened she broke down in tears because her husband worked in WTC. My parents worked in NYC (as did most of my classmates' parents) and was very concerned. The school district evacuated the elementary schools to…

Oh yeah I forgot about all the confusion on what else would be attacked! People should talk about that more. Every single piece of infrastructure in the whole country was on people’s minds and locked down! Is there a documentary about that? There is so much possibility for an “isolation thriller” where people’s concerns in their small towns are more the focus than the outcome of what happened by the time the dust set…

I recall a big anthrax scare in the weeks following. Lots of people were sending white powder to official addresses.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by yyyk »

hutzlibu wrote: post #177
ISL wrote: post #44

If watching this footage makes you want to stand up and do something, remember that Covid-19 is killing as many people in the US every two days as died in these attacks. Take small steps to make the world a better place, helping your neighbors, and you can take a stand against entropy.

And maybe do not forget the >360 000 dead civilians the war on terror has cost so far. Innocent bystanders, whose relatives now might feel a urge to join the real terrorists as the only means for them to get revenge, too. Endless cycle. "War on terror" is just a ugly concept and not one that seem to work. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/911-civili... Oh and something that does not get too much atten…

>do not forget the >360 000 dead civilians the war on terror has cost so far.

Most of them killed by the same people the US targeted. Funny how all responsibility is always given to the West even when the people doing the killing are their enemies.

>the taliban back then only refused to hand over Bin Laden without evidence presented

Also after he publicly confessed, not to mention his previous crimes. Their refusal had nothing to do with 'evidence'.

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