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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by irrational »

leesalminen wrote: post #29

9/11 was my birthday, and I was just outside of NYC in school that day. I was in math class. The phone in the classroom rang and my teacher turned on the radio (1010 WINS) immediately. After hearing what had happened she broke down in tears because her husband worked in WTC. My parents worked in NYC (as did most of my classmates' parents) and was very concerned. The school district evacuated the elementary schools to…

Thanks for writing this. It is good to hear the experience of someone that was close by. I live clear on the other side of the country (and did on 9/11 too). I didn’t know anyone that died that day, and to the best of my knowledge I’ve never met anyone who lost someone that day either. So it is good for those of you who did experience it to write about it since it is so easy for people like me to be no more affected by it than any other historic event that is far removed.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by lmilcin »

rastafang wrote: post #186
lmilcin wrote: post #128

@dang, can we get the obvious spam crap removed somehow? Maybe instantly hide or at least minimize dead content? Or maybe restrict discussion to people who get at least some karma?

The default is to hide dead content... i.e.: showdead: NO... you must have changed the settings along the way

Oh, thanks!

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by jdavis703 »

mlcrypto wrote: post #86
photochemsyn wrote: post #62

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…

Too many coincidences. Also we couldn't mobilize any fighter jets at all when a plane goes off course?

We did mobilize fighter jets (albeit without missiles, so essentially if the pilots intercepted it’d likely be a suicide mission). Also after 9/11 people straying in to no fly zones over DC would be escorted out by fighters.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by johnchristopher »

dragonwriter wrote: post #28
dharmab wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> By the time I got out of training, the news cycle had moved on so it wasn't until the first anniversary of 9/11 that I saw the news footage of the event for the first time. This might seem strange to some younger readers, but remember in 01-02 internet video (and, indeed, internet faster than dial-up) was not ubiquitous. My family has a VHS tape recording of the news that day because that was how the average person…

> This might seem strange to some younger readers, but remember in 01-02 internet video (and, indeed, internet faster than dial-up) was not ubiquitous. And even if you used internet video (or, heck, even read news online), none of the sources (origins sites and Google and other portals) had the capacity to deal well with the major surge of associated with a event like 9/11. Everything online was spotty or broken unde…

Sarah Kendzior (and most likely other journalists from that time) mentions this in her book Hiding in Plain Sight: 9/11 changed the news, it shifted from print to the web because the web could update faster. Newspapers websites were no longer outdated copies of the print.

Of course that brought about a whole lot of other consequences.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by varjag »

theli0nheart wrote: post #53
dharmab wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> By the time I got out of training, the news cycle had moved on so it wasn't until the first anniversary of 9/11 that I saw the news footage of the event for the first time. This might seem strange to some younger readers, but remember in 01-02 internet video (and, indeed, internet faster than dial-up) was not ubiquitous. My family has a VHS tape recording of the news that day because that was how the average person…

> This might seem strange to some younger readers, but remember in 01-02 internet video (and, indeed, internet faster than dial-up) was not ubiquitous. My family has a VHS tape recording of the news that day because that was how the average person preserved TV broadcasts. TiVo was also pretty common, but as I recall I just watched on our TV. Using the Internet for video in 2001 wasn't something anyone would even mome…

I've been watching some broadcasts with RealPlayer, while following the events on IRC. Our national TV did not wake up to the events until maybe 5 hours later.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by mensetmanusman »

polytely wrote: post #64
chitowneats wrote: post #54

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Heart disease and cancer kill many more: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm... Beware the myopia that sensationalist news coverage tends to encourage. Never forget all the lives lost. Not just the 3000+ we lost on that horrible day (RIP), but the millions more around the world lost in the wake of the actions we chose, as a nation, to take in the "war on terror".

Heart disease and cancer aren't contagious, so your actions on that front will only improve your own life, while being a bit more careful with covid will potentially prevent sickness in a lot of people.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2007/07/obesity-is-co...

Actually there has been a lot of research showing obesity as a social virus is contagious.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by jwagenet »

adwi wrote: post #173
542458 wrote: post #107

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Re: Indian Point - containment buildings are pretty armoured by design. The Indian point containment vessel walls are several feet of high-grade steel reinforced concrete. You might be thinking of the skinny, low quality rebar used in common construction at this point - this isn’t that, the rebar here is 2.25 inches thick, made of good-quality steel, and spaced every fifteen inches or so. The containment building is…

> The containment building is also smaller than a 747, so you can’t transfer the entire plane’s energy to it like you could with a larger target like the towers. I know very little about physics and found this to be an unexpected point I’d like to understand more. Could you explain?

As a layman there are probably few theories behind this statement: 1. The plane is not an energy monolith, any part of the plane larger than the building (eg wings) would have its own inertia which continues to rip off and around the building rather than drive all energy/mass attached to plane to the point of impact. 2. A smaller building may act like a plow if circular or hit on a corner, diverting energy as in 1. 3. If you simplify the side of a building to a supported plane, a larger plane may deform to failure more than a small plane due to the distance between supports ( other walls of building)

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by anonymousab »

trothamel wrote: post #188
jazzyjackson wrote: post #159

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I thought I remembered the plot to the 1996 film “executive decision” as being a debate whether to shoot the passenger jet out of the sky because the plane was going to be used as a missile, but i just read the plot again and they were going to detonate a nerve agent bomb on board the plane while over a us city, so, similar but not quite a prediction of the predicament.

(Spoilers) The end of Tom Clancy's 1994 book "Debt of Honor" featured a 747 being crashed into the Capital, which is about as close as fiction gets.

A bit closer is the X-Files spinoff The Lone Gunmen, where a March 2001 episode featured a plot to crash an airliner into the world trade center and blame it on terrorists to justify a new war.

Obviously 9/11 wasn't some government conspiracy to purposely spark new wars, but the other details are eerily similar.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by justinzollars »

vmception wrote: post #85
leesalminen wrote: post #29

9/11 was my birthday, and I was just outside of NYC in school that day. I was in math class. The phone in the classroom rang and my teacher turned on the radio (1010 WINS) immediately. After hearing what had happened she broke down in tears because her husband worked in WTC. My parents worked in NYC (as did most of my classmates' parents) and was very concerned. The school district evacuated the elementary schools to…

Oh yeah I forgot about all the confusion on what else would be attacked! People should talk about that more. Every single piece of infrastructure in the whole country was on people’s minds and locked down! Is there a documentary about that? There is so much possibility for an “isolation thriller” where people’s concerns in their small towns are more the focus than the outcome of what happened by the time the dust set…

You get a sense of that feeling, from watching the various tv stations on this thread. I had the radio on too, and you get a real sense of the total confusion of that day.
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