And those ancestors would switch places with us in a heartbeat. You are romanticizing.
No, they wouldn’t, considering that they explicitly set up difficult lives for themselves according to their values. And no, you can’t read the minds of long dead people either. Is it really so difficult to consider that we live in a scared, lazy age?
> And no, you can’t read the minds of long dead people either.
And yet that is exactly what you are doing throughout multiple comments.
On the contrary it's the vaccinated people who are sick but don't know that they're sick who are spreading the virus.
Mostly to people that are unvaccinated... If 90% of people were vaccinated r would be less than 1 and there would be no spread.
"no spread" is R=0.
Vaccinated people are spreading it to vaccinated people as well as unvaccinated. Assuming that vaccinated people don't know that they get it we have essentially created a big cesspool for the virus to spread undetected.
Luckily that's a bad assumption because the vaccines are so bad that they aren't even protecting people from getting very ill.
And what about unknown long-haul effects from newly developed vaccines? Are we permitted to be concerned about those?
At this point, long term side effects would be known about: "History tells us that severe side effects are extremely rare, and if they do occur, they usually happen within the first two months" https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19...
So we can know the long term effects of a novel vaccine but we can’t know the long term effects of COVID?
How does that make any sense? Don’t you think it’s more reasonable to assume we don’t know either?
Ah yes, the shithole states like Vermont and Massachusetts, which are so much unlike the paradise that is Mississippi.
At some point you have enough money, as a famous beloved man once said, and issues like agency become far more important (he didn't say that last part). Mississippi might be a poor state, but its GDP is still higher than most European countries.
Beats Greece per capita, but is beaten in net GDP.
Tie with Greece is not an indicator of good economy :)
The big problem is they still want people who've recovered from COVID to get vaccinated. This is a very big deal and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole OSHA plan goes to the Supreme Court. I've recovered from COVID and stand against vaccine mandates.
Not sure why you think that's a problem. The vaccines offer better protection against variants than having had COVID and recovering. Edit: Apparently this is new information to people: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr...
You know what kills more than COVID? Sugar which causes cancer, diabetes, and heart disease. If we're going to go after COVID for the havoc it causes, there's a long list of similar issues that could be tackled with the same type of mandate. I don't look forward to our health-police state we apparently decided was a great idea. Well we didn't decide, because that would have required congress to pass a law. This was j…
If people could take a shot or two that massively reduces the risk of sugar induced cancer, diabetes and heart disease they'd be fools not to take it.
Why not prevent such cancers in the first place? Forbidding sales of sugar, cigarettes, and trash food would go a long way to prevent cancer, diabetes, heart disease and obesity. Sh*t happens, you can't have a vaccine for everything.
Yeah what's next? Making other behaviors that have a small but established likelihood of endangering the lives of others or their property illegal at little to no cost to the liberty of an individual? Pretty soon I won't be able to drive my car under the influence, or without proper insurance, or while not wearing a seatbelt, or I won't be able to discharge my firearms in my 0.2 acre backyard in a suburban area. 650,…
What about things that do have a lot of cost? Drinking (10,000 lives per year lost in the USA due to drunk driving), not to mention destroyed families and caused homicides, smoking (countless lives lost), sexual immorality (countless abortions and mental and psychological effects of casual sexual relationships).
Drunk driving is illegal, as is smoking in public places (with very broad definitions of "public") - I have no idea what you're on about "sexual immorality", although I would point to the horrific law passed in Texas, as well as many of the terrible laws governing our sex lives. Most of those laws aren't because they hurt people, but because people want to tell other people what to do.
Whether or not you agree if there is legal authority for mandates for this vaccine or this pandemic, where does it end? The trajectory we're on is for all people to be monitored by the State for compliance with the vaccine programs. Israel is already saying 4 shots (and more) will required [0] to participate in that society. Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are quasi-police states [1] and will probably mandate vacc…
It ends when half a million+ people per year (in the US anyway) aren't dying of a preventable disease - not to mention probably millions more suffering long term effects. I see a familiar pattern with sentiments like this: showing lots of hand-wringing over civil liberties, but seemingly no concern over all the people who have died and who have been incapacitated. Those people had a right to not be exposed to a deadl…
Authoritarian governments have killed millions of people too. Civil liberties shouldn’t be hand waved as a sort of a selfish privilege when most of them were written in blood after terrible wars and periods of oppression.
And what about unknown long-haul effects from newly developed vaccines? Are we permitted to be concerned about those?
At this point, long term side effects would be known about: "History tells us that severe side effects are extremely rare, and if they do occur, they usually happen within the first two months" https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19...
History can tell us about historical vaccines, not new ones, especially mRNA vaccines.