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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by R0b0t1 »

tomrod wrote: post #288
josho wrote: post #266

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> We still don't really understand how diet affects health long term. I thought it was pretty clear that we do. Go talk to any physician and they will tell you the 3 things you control to increase your chances of a long & healthy life are: 1. Limit alcohol/tobacco 2. exercise frequently 3. eat a healthy diet Are you suggesting for #3 they have no data to back that recommendation up?

Eh, yes there is data but the association is not clear and straightforward that diet is the necessary or sufficient condition for metabolic or cardiovascular diseases. What you're quoting is, in healthcare, called the "standard of care" and is the workflow that is recommended for doctors (i.e. less likely to be sued for malpractice if they follow the route). Most doctors are technicians, not researchers establishing…

You are wrong. There are great volumes of evidence that keeping a low weight and keeping macronutrients roughly in some gap makes you live longer. I'm not sure what is left to be talking about. Specific fad diets?

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by azth »

robmccoll wrote: post #364
Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

Yeah what's next? Making other behaviors that have a small but established likelihood of endangering the lives of others or their property illegal at little to no cost to the liberty of an individual? Pretty soon I won't be able to drive my car under the influence, or without proper insurance, or while not wearing a seatbelt, or I won't be able to discharge my firearms in my 0.2 acre backyard in a suburban area. 650,…

What about things that do have a lot of cost? Drinking (10,000 lives per year lost in the USA due to drunk driving), not to mention destroyed families and caused homicides, smoking (countless lives lost), sexual immorality (countless abortions and mental and psychological effects of casual sexual relationships).

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by pandaman »

rmah wrote: post #326
Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

When I was a youth, most public schools mandated a variety of vaccinations. If you didn't get them, you couldn't go to school. Is that no longer the case?

When I was a youth vaccines gave immunity to their recipients, that doesn't seem to be a case now.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by ctrlp »

tomrod wrote: post #349
longthrow1 wrote: post #328

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Have you gotten your swine flu vaccine yet? Fauci says it's completely safe. If you trust the government you should rush out and get it for yourself and any children you know. Also, the fda has a perfect track record for only approving safe treatments, so why worry?

Look, let's look at the human side here. I understand your fear of the vaccine and possibly rage at people encouraging, exhorting, or even possibly looking down on you for your desire for safety. PM me if you want a safe person to speak with. Whether or not you want to reach out, know that I encourage you to be vaccinated and that the data supports that it is quite safe. The medical tradeoff of myocarditis (the large…

Every side is the 'human side'.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by BackBlast »

md_ wrote: post #354
rmah wrote: post #326

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When I was a youth, most public schools mandated a variety of vaccinations. If you didn't get them, you couldn't go to school. Is that no longer the case?

In the US, all 50 states have some type of mandatory vaccination for public schools ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy_in_the_Unit... ). Most, but not all, allow religious or similar exemptions; some (including California) only allow medical exemptions. I think your point--which is spot-on--is that a lot of the outraged reactions appear to be from people who are unaware (or unwilling to acknowledge) t…

Is it really accurate to call it mandatory when exemptions have been relatively trivial to acquire and use if one desires to?

People keep acting surprised that other people would say no and also object to not having a choice.

Then there's the immunocompromised people who react poorly to vaccines and programs such as this are trying to corral them into a one-size-fits-all mandatory vaccination program.

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Post by R0b0t1 »

maxlybbert wrote: post #157
lalaland1125 wrote: post #4

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Why would employers need additional immunity? Do schools usually need legal immunity when they require vaccines?

Side effects from vaccines are rare, but do occasionally happen. Because of the small risk, there’s a government program to pay money to anybody who suffers a serious side effect from taking a vaccine in exchange for granting legal immunity to vaccine producers ( https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html ). So, to answer your question, schools don’t literally require legal immunity themselves, but they do…

I was given the paperwork for this program on my first dose, I got it early.

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Post by zibzab »

oceanplexian wrote: post #500
Aditya_Garg wrote: post #452

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They can exaggerate but they can’t completely fabricate 650k deaths. What number do you think warrants this action? 500k? 300k?

Well, technically smoking kills ~400k a year and has been legal for over a century, so we could start there. We could get into heart disease and diabetes and the legality of unhealthy food if it’s about the raw numbers.

You are ignoring two very important facts:

1. I can choose to not smoke and eat healthy which gives me a reasonable chance to not die of those.

2. 650k number is _despite_ closing down half the world and washing hands every hour or two, wearing masks and hospitals working at 200% capacity.

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Post by oceanplexian »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #413
da_big_ghey wrote: post #322

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Then why did we fight a war on keeping them together. Maybe both would be happier if south and middle states split from coast ones.

If you mean the civil war, that wasn't to "keep them together": it was one side forcing the other to get back in line and give up its slaves. It was not a conflict where two somewhat equal partners work out their difficulties, it was a war where the central government fought down an insurrection and during witch the south got utterly devastated and was under occupation for 10 years.

You could also argue that the civil war was about restoring bodily autonomy to a group of people who had been enslaved and forced against their will by corporations and governments.

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Post by bedhead »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #327
bedhead wrote: post #292

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You’re right that some schools have had a vaccine mandate. But neither the private nor public sector ever have. And we didn’t have the accompanying dystopian nightmare as a reality and further threat. So I would say your argument is tired and misses the point entirely, aside from being so brazenly naive to fall for the “if only these last few holdouts got vaccinated everything would be normal!” straw man. Keep on goo…

It's amazing how far some people will go (selfishly) to "protect" their perceived "freedom" at the expense of society. There really is something rotten in our society and it's not anything to do with authoritarianism but empathy, good grief.

Oh my freedom - minor pesky detail as it is - needs to be completely suppressed indefinitely because you're literally a delusional paranoid who can no longer process reality because awwwwww, it's too scawey. Freedom and laws and common decency and general cognitive abilities are only okay unless half of us became deranged with baseless paranoia and become convinced that a minority of people are turning the world into a hellscape no matter how blatantly and demonstrably illogical it is, in which case screw it all, we're doing a 180 and becoming a perpetual police state where everyone hates each other's guts.

Keep goose stepping towards "safety"...sounds fun!!!

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Post by ctrlp »

tomrod wrote: post #295
guscost wrote: post #244

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America will split into two societies - those who demand a yearly injection (and who knows what else) in exchange for access to basic goods and services, and those who do not. The ones who do not will gather in their own towns, cities, and states where this freedom is respected, and secured by militias. I will be in that latter society. Or civil war. Also possible.

Come on, quit fetishizing. Get vaccinated if you're medically able and let's get on with normalcy.

People need to stop thinking critically and accept what they're told so they can get back to a normal that is not at all normal but actually the 'new normal.'
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