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Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by [deleted] »

CPLX wrote: post #76
ngokevin wrote: post #34

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It's ironic to be mocking this Hacker News, where people every day are launching upstart ideas to take on massive incumbents. Launching your own basketball league isn't even that ridiculous! I could see a basketball league with influencers that's more about the entertainment and characters versus skill level having a chance.

A national political party is a large group of people united within a formal organization around specific ideology helmed by leaders who hold the support of that group. A national basketball league is a medium sized group of people who play basketball. As you can see, my plan for a basketball league and Andrew Yang's plan for a political party are facing a similar dilemma.

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Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by itsdrewmiller »

silisili wrote: post #109
UncleOxidant wrote: post #26

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> I suppose the question ultimately will be whether his party pull more votes from Democrats or Republicans I think it's pretty clear that he'd pull more Dems than Reps. That would be a very bad thing in 2024, so you'll probably see a lot of encouragement from Republicans and an lot of discouragement from Democrats.

This is such a discouraging and sad view point. I'm not saying it's wrong, just pessimistic, and not blaming you for saying it just venting. Who cares if it's more x than y. Most voters are moderates. Myself, and many moderates, feel completely unrepresented by either side. Not liberal enough to vote D, and not conservative enough to vote R. You'd think they'd be drifting together, but increasingly are drifting furth…

The vast majority of US voters are either essentially conservative/Republican or liberal/Democrat, however they identify themselves to pollsters. The very small number of people who are actually swing voters generally aren't that way because they have midpoint positions on the issues, and they are on average also much less well-informed in general.

See https://www.vox.com/2018/7/23/17575768/swing-voters-exist and links from it for evidence of these claims.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by corpo_punisho »

sojournerc wrote: post #13
notJim wrote: post #6

Yang has never been my top choice, but I think he's generally a good dude. However a third party could be disastrous for the democrats, who can only just barely win elections due to the current structure of the electorate. Hopefully he will be more strategic than that, however. A third party could be really beneficial in some areas where democrats dominate everything.

Ranked voting would make this less of an issue, but good luck getting current politicians to support it.

Mirror how it succeeded in Maine.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by pope_meat »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #17

I registered as a Democrat to vote for Andrew in the CA primary. I find his view of the state of the USA is much more current and much less clouded by the twisted incentives that drive so many career politicians. He has positions on just about every topic and explains the rationale behind them. It makes me wonder what the narrative against him would be. In the 2020 primaries and election, he wasn't taken seriously by…

I was a fan of yang, but then he started harping on "illegal food vendors" in NYC, and I realized he's another tech-bro ghoul.

I'd like my political donation back, yang, if you're reading.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by _zzaw »

Steko wrote: post #52
oxymoran wrote: post #31

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The Democrats completely screwed him in 2020. Karma.

How exactly did they screw him? Yang was always a longshot in a super-crowded field. And 2020 wasn't the greatest cycle to swoop in as an outsider/business person with no political experience.

My impression of Yang—and I liked the guy—was that mainstream Democrats were never really his primary audience anyway. His Twitter account seemed to be a raucous mix of Bernie bros, socialists with trollish leanings, memesters, and other oddballs whose politics—and dedication—appeared somewhat amorphous.

I don’t think the party screwed him at all. I think most Dems weren’t really in his camp anyway and the ones who were either gravitated towards Bernie or didn’t ultimately vote at all.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by pstuart »

krapp wrote: post #81
dsr_ wrote: post #59

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All the Republican Party needs is for DJT to die of natural causes, so that candidates can quibble over who is the true inheritor of his mantle. Eight years after that the name of Trump will be invoked as a meaningless benediction the way that Reagan is used now.

>All the Republican Party needs is for DJT to die of natural causes, so that candidates can quibble over who is the true inheritor of his mantle I think Trump stopped being a viable figurehead for his own movement once the stop-the-steal movement and insurrection failed to prevent Biden's election, and date after date after date for Trump's triumphant return passed without incident. Republicans are going to have to m…

It's hard to forecast this. Trump supporters are effectively a cult, and every time something came along that made me think "ok, this time he's done it" (e.g., shooting someone on 5th Ave, which he was correct in his assessment), I've been proven wrong.

We are still in uncharted waters.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by BuyMyBitcoins »

benburleson wrote: post #44
krapp wrote: post #30

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The real ultimate question is whether post-Trumpism will unite the Republican Party or result in a schism among Conservatives by 2024.

I'm not sure if it's just a vocal minority, but it sure seems to be the Party of Trump, no longer the Republican Party.

I do not know why you are being downvoted so, but I know a lot of republicans. They adore Donald Trump and have contempt for the GOP leaders who did not “stand up for him” after the election. There is a real sense of anger at the Republican establishment.

I know people who literally mailed back RNC donation solicitation envelopes coated in slurs and swear words after the election.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by BuyMyBitcoins »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #55
Barrin92 wrote: post #51

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>It makes me wonder what the narrative against him would be I think the question is what the narrative for him is. His views probably most closely resemble what the Niskanen-Center dubbed 'liberaltarian' a few years ago and that doesn't have much of a constituency. This sort of slightly wonkish, business man, tech bro hybrid will find some voters among the kind of young male demographic you find here or on reddit but…

> Liberals aren't going to support the Milton Friedman-esque UBI ideas. Isn't that a liberal idea??

Gosh, I hate to say it but “Liberal” has basically become a meaningless term. It means something different to everyone, regardless of political affiliation.
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