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Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by Barrin92 »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #17

I registered as a Democrat to vote for Andrew in the CA primary. I find his view of the state of the USA is much more current and much less clouded by the twisted incentives that drive so many career politicians. He has positions on just about every topic and explains the rationale behind them. It makes me wonder what the narrative against him would be. In the 2020 primaries and election, he wasn't taken seriously by…

>It makes me wonder what the narrative against him would be

I think the question is what the narrative for him is. His views probably most closely resemble what the Niskanen-Center dubbed 'liberaltarian' a few years ago and that doesn't have much of a constituency.

This sort of slightly wonkish, business man, tech bro hybrid will find some voters among the kind of young male demographic you find here or on reddit but otherwise his political campaigns were stillborn. Conservatives don't support liberal social politics and expansion of government spending, Liberals aren't going to support the Milton Friedman-esque UBI ideas and individualistic free-market attitude.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by Steko »

oxymoran wrote: post #31
notJim wrote: post #6

Yang has never been my top choice, but I think he's generally a good dude. However a third party could be disastrous for the democrats, who can only just barely win elections due to the current structure of the electorate. Hopefully he will be more strategic than that, however. A third party could be really beneficial in some areas where democrats dominate everything.

The Democrats completely screwed him in 2020. Karma.

How exactly did they screw him? Yang was always a longshot in a super-crowded field. And 2020 wasn't the greatest cycle to swoop in as an outsider/business person with no political experience.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by ngokevin »

akerl_ wrote: post #36
ngokevin wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He went from a virtual unknown normal dude to the last six standing the Democratic Presidental primaries, outlasting senators including Kamala Harris. And he made UBI a household idea, a major factor to lobbying for cash relief during the pandemic. He did get stomped in the mayoral run. I followed it closely and it felt as though the media had it out for him.

Is UBI a household idea? I’m trying to think of a time I’ve heard somebody bring it up outside of message boards or Twitter threads, and at least in my experience I’m coming up blank.

Not that it comes up in conversation often, but people get the idea and it's less far-fetched than it used to sound.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by salimmadjd »

Yang is underestimating the network effect of the two parties.

I thought running for mayor of NY City was kind of odd. His lack of experience really showed after his initial name ID advantage faded away.

I feel like he is fighting for relevancy but it's approaching it from a wrong angle.

I do understand he is feeling betrayed a bit by the party. He was probably promised (or hinted at) some kind of a position with the Biden admin.

Then he had that disastrous loss as a mayor. I'm not sure starting a third party is really a right move for him.

He is interesting (was authentic) as a candidate, but quite honesty doesn't have a real national name ID or charisma to pull together a successful third party.

At this point, the only person who can reasonably start a third party is probably Donald Trump (not saying he is going to). My point is you need a huge national popular backing.

Yang doesn't have that. If anything he is going to destroy the possibility of having a real competitive third party in our country.

So, yeah another misstep (IMHO) by Yang.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

Barrin92 wrote: post #51
11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #17

I registered as a Democrat to vote for Andrew in the CA primary. I find his view of the state of the USA is much more current and much less clouded by the twisted incentives that drive so many career politicians. He has positions on just about every topic and explains the rationale behind them. It makes me wonder what the narrative against him would be. In the 2020 primaries and election, he wasn't taken seriously by…

>It makes me wonder what the narrative against him would be I think the question is what the narrative for him is. His views probably most closely resemble what the Niskanen-Center dubbed 'liberaltarian' a few years ago and that doesn't have much of a constituency. This sort of slightly wonkish, business man, tech bro hybrid will find some voters among the kind of young male demographic you find here or on reddit but…

> Liberals aren't going to support the Milton Friedman-esque UBI ideas.

Isn't that a liberal idea??

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by excalibur »

benburleson wrote: post #44
krapp wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real ultimate question is whether post-Trumpism will unite the Republican Party or result in a schism among Conservatives by 2024.

I'm not sure if it's just a vocal minority, but it sure seems to be the Party of Trump, no longer the Republican Party.

I could see a Trump party on the right, a Yang party on the left, and a third party right down the middle full of disenfranchised moderates from both sides of the aisle

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by tenderholdings »

A Gallup poll from August found that 29% of Americans identified as Democrats, 28% identified as Republican, and 40% as Independent. [https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx]

So, more people consider themselves independent than members of either party.

If Andrew Yang can create the "Independent Party", perhaps they would get the most votes.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by perardi »

ngokevin wrote: post #34
CPLX wrote: post #20

In related news, I will be launching my own version of the NBA, where I am excited to be the starting point guard for the #1 ranked team.

It's ironic to be mocking this Hacker News, where people every day are launching upstart ideas to take on massive incumbents. Launching your own basketball league isn't even that ridiculous! I could see a basketball league with influencers that's more about the entertainment and characters versus skill level having a chance.

They sure kept trying that for football.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFL_(2001)

And it sure went nowhere.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by dsr_ »

benburleson wrote: post #44
krapp wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real ultimate question is whether post-Trumpism will unite the Republican Party or result in a schism among Conservatives by 2024.

I'm not sure if it's just a vocal minority, but it sure seems to be the Party of Trump, no longer the Republican Party.

All the Republican Party needs is for DJT to die of natural causes, so that candidates can quibble over who is the true inheritor of his mantle. Eight years after that the name of Trump will be invoked as a meaningless benediction the way that Reagan is used now.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by runako »

benburleson wrote: post #44
krapp wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real ultimate question is whether post-Trumpism will unite the Republican Party or result in a schism among Conservatives by 2024.

I'm not sure if it's just a vocal minority, but it sure seems to be the Party of Trump, no longer the Republican Party.

This is the case with every party when it doesn't have the presidency. The Democrats spent the Bush years as the Party of Clinton and the Trump years as the Party of Obama. The head of the party (e.g. their last President) continues to set the party tone & agenda until the party wins the White House again.
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