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Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by nradov »

bpodgursky wrote: post #51
warning26 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an interesting idea, but it would amount to calling China's bluff. China has stated that they would definitely commit to a ground invasion of Taiwan if the US recognized it. The question is -- how serious are they about that? Personally, I think they'd go for it. They've been itching to take over Taiwan by force anyway.

> China has stated that they would definitely commit to a ground invasion of Taiwan if the US recognized it. I don't believe this is true. IIRC they've implied they would invade if Taiwan declared itself independent.

China has more than just implied it. They directly stated that a declaration of independence by Taiwan means war.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55851052

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#102

Post by BurningFrog »

jmclnx wrote: post #5

I really wish the US and Europe would get *lls and punish China for breaking the treaty with Hong Kong and the UK

All we can do is open our borders for Hongkongers who want to leave.

This is maybe the most highly educated and productive population in the world. Any country would be lucky to get them.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

#103

Post by alentist »

kemiller wrote: post #94
president wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very sad and parallels what seems to be happening in the US and other western democracies as well. There is a trend of certain dominant power in all of these countries that is quashing all opposing voices. I predict that some major global events are going to happen within the next few years. EDIT: Case in point - the quashing of opposing voices occurs on this board on this very comment. You cannot even bring up this…

Nowhere in the constitution are you protected from consequences when you say something stupid, and right-leaning folks have been saying this particular stupid thing a bit too often. Have the offices of Fox News or Breitbart or the Creation Science Museum been raided by police? No? Then this is not even close to parallel.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1282404647160942598.html

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by Closi »

Gray0Ed wrote: post #35
masterof0 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? Another war? I'm having a hard time believing the economic elite in the US will be in favor of loosing business in China.

Sponsor relocation to US/UK/Taiwan for any HK citizen who wants it? HK will have 0 value to China if every educated person leaves it.

The UK has already offered relocation and citizenship to approx 40% of the population of HK, so this has pretty much already happened.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

#105

Post by asdff »

kunagi7 wrote: post #9

The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland. Closing the media outlets, museums, websites that speak against them. And a few key people get abducted here and there to scare more people and force them to accept the Beijing Regime. But... The people from Hong Kong still demonstrates and tries to fight for their lost rights.

If Beijing ever martyrs the protestors like tianeman again I don't think the world will take kindly to that at all. I even think russia would join an american coalition. China has no strong allies that wouldn't prefer to spare themselves in the event of worldwide intervention and they can't fight off the entire developed world alone no matter how far they came in recent decades.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by cabalamat »

analognoise wrote: post #71
president wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very sad and parallels what seems to be happening in the US and other western democracies as well. There is a trend of certain dominant power in all of these countries that is quashing all opposing voices. I predict that some major global events are going to happen within the next few years. EDIT: Case in point - the quashing of opposing voices occurs on this board on this very comment. You cannot even bring up this…

Whose voice is getting quashed in the US? Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter, email, phones, a magazine, protests, their own news channels, subReddits. What group doesn't have all those things? Whose voice is being quashed - exactly? Even straight up Nazis have websites, newsletters, gatherings, organized protest marches and Facebook pages. The fucking Taliban is on Twitter. So...who is being quashed because of their b…

> Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter [...] subReddits

You appear to be arguing that no-one has ever been kicked off Facebook or Twitter, and that no subreddits have ever been banned. Is that your position?

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

#107

Post by inopinatus »

kemiller wrote: post #94
president wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very sad and parallels what seems to be happening in the US and other western democracies as well. There is a trend of certain dominant power in all of these countries that is quashing all opposing voices. I predict that some major global events are going to happen within the next few years. EDIT: Case in point - the quashing of opposing voices occurs on this board on this very comment. You cannot even bring up this…

Nowhere in the constitution are you protected from consequences when you say something stupid, and right-leaning folks have been saying this particular stupid thing a bit too often. Have the offices of Fox News or Breitbart or the Creation Science Museum been raided by police? No? Then this is not even close to parallel.

There’s a seam of individuals cutting across the political spectrum that is confused about their right to speak freely. They think it translates to a right to force everyone to listen to them. Then they become shirty when told to fuck off.

It’s naturally correlated to extremities of viewpoint, both due to the absence of critical thinking on the part of the complainant and the elevated likelihood their views fall outside a certain window of acceptability.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by cabalamat »

BurningFrog wrote: post #102
jmclnx wrote: post #5

I really wish the US and Europe would get *lls and punish China for breaking the treaty with Hong Kong and the UK

All we can do is open our borders for Hongkongers who want to leave. This is maybe the most highly educated and productive population in the world. Any country would be lucky to get them.

> All we can do is open our borders for Hongkongers who want to leave.

Yes. And no longer trade with China.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by gautamdivgi »

chasd00 wrote: post #80
analognoise wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whose voice is getting quashed in the US? Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter, email, phones, a magazine, protests, their own news channels, subReddits. What group doesn't have all those things? Whose voice is being quashed - exactly? Even straight up Nazis have websites, newsletters, gatherings, organized protest marches and Facebook pages. The fucking Taliban is on Twitter. So...who is being quashed because of their b…

For one, it's well known in tech that you're putting your job/livelihood at risk by speaking contrary to the political groupthink. Many people who didn't vote for Clinton or Biden are effectively in career hiding. Threatening someone's job over their beliefs/opinions is very effective censorship.

The right of free speech protects against government retribution. It does not protect private individual / corporation retaliation. This is why you have secret ballot - so no one can retaliate against you for someone you’ve voted for.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

#110

Post by cabalamat »

warning26 wrote: post #40
brnt wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Western countries irrevocably recognizing Taiwan would be a start.

It's an interesting idea, but it would amount to calling China's bluff. China has stated that they would definitely commit to a ground invasion of Taiwan if the US recognized it. The question is -- how serious are they about that? Personally, I think they'd go for it. They've been itching to take over Taiwan by force anyway.

> Personally, I think they'd go for it.

If there were sizable numbers of US troops on Taiwan, I don't think they'd attack. They don't want a major confrontation, at least not yet.

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