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Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by bpodgursky »

warning26 wrote: post #40
brnt wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Western countries irrevocably recognizing Taiwan would be a start.

It's an interesting idea, but it would amount to calling China's bluff. China has stated that they would definitely commit to a ground invasion of Taiwan if the US recognized it. The question is -- how serious are they about that? Personally, I think they'd go for it. They've been itching to take over Taiwan by force anyway.

> China has stated that they would definitely commit to a ground invasion of Taiwan if the US recognized it.

I don't believe this is true. IIRC they've implied they would invade if Taiwan declared itself independent.

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Post by kaladin-jasnah »

88840-8855 wrote: post #7
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #3

Completely understandable. Why have a museum for an event that never happened? /s

I know it is a joke, but they do not deny the event. They just put it into a different context. It goes something like: 2000 lives for 20 years of stability. Well, actually 30 years now.

Interesting. Never heard this before. Can you provide sources to back this up?

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Post by stingrae »

Gray0Ed wrote: post #35
masterof0 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? Another war? I'm having a hard time believing the economic elite in the US will be in favor of loosing business in China.

Sponsor relocation to US/UK/Taiwan for any HK citizen who wants it? HK will have 0 value to China if every educated person leaves it.

HK doesn't really have value to China other than making the case to its population that it never stands down or loses.

Economically HK isn't that big of a deal compared to the rest of China at this point.

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Post by DixieDev »

pphysch wrote: post #21
X6S1x6Okd1st wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While that is true that fails to mention IMO a key difference. The civil war is not censored in the US, Tienanmen square is. Removing a statue is very different than shutting down all discussion around an event and locking up those that want to talk about it.

Expressions of white supremacism (N word, etc) & separatism (Jan 6, etc) are heavily suppressed in USA.

Yeah, I don't know how America can be considered a so-called "free country" when the people living there will get angry at me for using slurs and being generally discriminative. I'm sure it's just a matter of time until they create some kind of unethical legal punishment too, as they did with expressions of anger (assault, murder, etc.).

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Post by mensetmanusman »

brnt wrote: post #30
masterof0 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? Another war? I'm having a hard time believing the economic elite in the US will be in favor of loosing business in China.

Western countries irrevocably recognizing Taiwan would be a start.

We are playing the long game, eventually the warmongering Chinese leaders will be gone.

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Post by johnzim »

smoyer wrote: post #43

If China is claiming that Hong Kong citizens are foreign agents, aren't they implicitly admitting that Hong Kong isn't part of China?

Doublethink is a skill that takes some time to learn.

While you're still waiting to get up to speed, just understand and accept that all Chinese people are the property of the Emperor. It's much easier to make sense of things.

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Post by busterarm »

onethought wrote: post #15
jmclnx wrote: post #5

I really wish the US and Europe would get *lls and punish China for breaking the treaty with Hong Kong and the UK

Punish them how? The global economy is heavy reliant on a cooperative China. UK have made it clear they aren’t part of the EU so why would the EU care? Just recall the context China are operating from: Hong Kong was stolen from them at the height of the opium wars. There is no fairness in these geopolitical dealings. Overall this sucks for HK… but it’s actually easy to understand all the parties involved actions/inac…

Not as reliant as you think.

Chinese exports are rapidly becoming too expensive relative to their neighbors and they seem to be unable to further cheapen the price of their labor.

Economically, China is actually in a real bind.

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Post by temp8964 »

president wrote: post #18
kunagi7 wrote: post #9

The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland. Closing the media outlets, museums, websites that speak against them. And a few key people get abducted here and there to scare more people and force them to accept the Beijing Regime. But... The people from Hong Kong still demonstrates and tries to fight for their lost rights.

Very sad and parallels what seems to be happening in the US and other western democracies as well. There is a trend of certain dominant power in all of these countries that is quashing all opposing voices. I predict that some major global events are going to happen within the next few years. EDIT: Case in point - the quashing of opposing voices occurs on this board on this very comment. You cannot even bring up this…

The parallels are:

Both driven by the left.

Both claim nothing will happen, it’s just a myth, people are just being paranoid.

Purge is the common theme across the history of leftism.

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