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Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by vmception »

yuy910616 wrote: post #20
kunagi7 wrote: post #9

The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland. Closing the media outlets, museums, websites that speak against them. And a few key people get abducted here and there to scare more people and force them to accept the Beijing Regime. But... The people from Hong Kong still demonstrates and tries to fight for their lost rights.

Really reminds me of the Taiwan election commercial that compares Taiwan and Hong Kong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykcVIQMrc4A

wow

that was really powerful

makes me want to rethink some of my flippant comments about Taiwan's impending doom after we get our semiconductor pylons up in other places, but now at least they have my sympathy

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by gibolt »

hunterb123 wrote: post #11
psim1 wrote: post #10

I visited this museum in 2016. It was incredible to see this on Chinese soil. Hong Kong had a mere 20 years of being truly Hong Kong, free of the UK and generally free of China. Now it is just more China.

Communist China has only had a mere 100 years compared to it's 5000 year history.

Not sure why you are being downvoted. During the communist revolution (in the 40s), the previous government was overthrown and escaped to Taiwan. That was when Mao and Communism took over.

It is an interesting perspective

Edited for accuracy, 'cultural' -> 'communist'

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by sneak »

pphysch wrote: post #21
X6S1x6Okd1st wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While that is true that fails to mention IMO a key difference. The civil war is not censored in the US, Tienanmen square is. Removing a statue is very different than shutting down all discussion around an event and locking up those that want to talk about it.

Expressions of white supremacism (N word, etc) & separatism (Jan 6, etc) are heavily suppressed in USA.

Not the same kind of suppression, not by a long stretch.

You're still legally entitled to stand on a street corner in the US and shout racial slurs, if that's your thing. You're also legally entitled to assemble and protest there.

None of the undertakings that are equivalent to those actions are permitted in China, and will immediately subject you to violence.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

president wrote: post #18
kunagi7 wrote: post #9

The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland. Closing the media outlets, museums, websites that speak against them. And a few key people get abducted here and there to scare more people and force them to accept the Beijing Regime. But... The people from Hong Kong still demonstrates and tries to fight for their lost rights.

Very sad and parallels what seems to be happening in the US and other western democracies as well. There is a trend of certain dominant power in all of these countries that is quashing all opposing voices. I predict that some major global events are going to happen within the next few years. EDIT: Case in point - the quashing of opposing voices occurs on this board on this very comment. You cannot even bring up this…

You're welcome.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by Gray0Ed »

masterof0 wrote: post #13
jmclnx wrote: post #5

I really wish the US and Europe would get *lls and punish China for breaking the treaty with Hong Kong and the UK

How? Another war? I'm having a hard time believing the economic elite in the US will be in favor of loosing business in China.

Sponsor relocation to US/UK/Taiwan for any HK citizen who wants it? HK will have 0 value to China if every educated person leaves it.

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Post by skissane »

gibolt wrote: post #32
hunterb123 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Communist China has only had a mere 100 years compared to it's 5000 year history.

Not sure why you are being downvoted. During the communist revolution (in the 40s), the previous government was overthrown and escaped to Taiwan. That was when Mao and Communism took over. It is an interesting perspective Edited for accuracy, 'cultural' -> 'communist'

> During the cultural revolution, the previous government was overthrown and escaped to Taiwan

Not the Cultural Revolution. Cultural Revolution was in the 1960s, the Communist victory over the Nationalists and the Nationalists' flight to Taiwan was late 1940s. The "Cultural Revolution" was not a "revolution" in the classic sense. It was not an attempt to install a new government. It was a totalitarian exercise in which the Communist Party – led by Mao – attempted to eliminate every aspect of Chinese culture and society that wasn't enthusiastically communist

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by patch_cable »

gibolt wrote: post #32
hunterb123 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Communist China has only had a mere 100 years compared to it's 5000 year history.

Not sure why you are being downvoted. During the communist revolution (in the 40s), the previous government was overthrown and escaped to Taiwan. That was when Mao and Communism took over. It is an interesting perspective Edited for accuracy, 'cultural' -> 'communist'

That’s not what the cultural revolution was.

The cultural revolution took place well after the CCP took over.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by ff7c11 »

brnt wrote: post #30
masterof0 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? Another war? I'm having a hard time believing the economic elite in the US will be in favor of loosing business in China.

Western countries irrevocably recognizing Taiwan would be a start.

Don't do this. People live in Taiwan. It's not fair to use them as pawns. Keep the status quo rather than provoke war and chaos.

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Post by Kognito »

brnt wrote: post #30
masterof0 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? Another war? I'm having a hard time believing the economic elite in the US will be in favor of loosing business in China.

Western countries irrevocably recognizing Taiwan would be a start.

I suspect if this happened, it’d trigger an invasion by the CCP just to save face.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by warning26 »

brnt wrote: post #30
masterof0 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? Another war? I'm having a hard time believing the economic elite in the US will be in favor of loosing business in China.

Western countries irrevocably recognizing Taiwan would be a start.

It's an interesting idea, but it would amount to calling China's bluff. China has stated that they would definitely commit to a ground invasion of Taiwan if the US recognized it. The question is -- how serious are they about that?

Personally, I think they'd go for it. They've been itching to take over Taiwan by force anyway.

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