20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

Post by vowelless » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 5:53 PM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #646

carabiner wrote: post #637

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TSA Pre requires fingerprinting and a background check. You definitely give up some privacy in signing up for it. I mean you can unlock some computer devices with fingerprints.

The government already has my fingerprints, because I had to give them to get a passport (edit: I've been informed this was only because I also did Global Entry) and also when I was in elementary school they fingerprinted everyone and also when I got my driver's license. Pretty much if you're a US citizen they already have your fingerprints.

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 5:54 PM UTC

corey_moncure wrote: post #647

GhostVII wrote: post #537

We should have some kind of dashboard tracking how many people die from terrorism, car crashes, heart disease, COVID, etc., and how much time and money we spend trying to prevent these deaths. We are just so terrible at evaluating risk, for some reason it is OK to waste everyone's time with over the top security to stop a tiny portion of terrorism deaths, while still being OK with high speed limits that kill thousand…

The CDC collects these statistics. You would find, for instance, that more black people die each year from falling out of bed than they do at the hands of cops while unarmed (Unironically, provably true; look it up before you downvote... ideally no innocent person would die during police interactions). Clearly, whatever motivates policy and politics has no resemblance to a proportional risk-based assessment.

Post by rtkwe » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 5:55 PM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #638

rtkwe wrote: post #632

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Isn't it also the preliminary and ongoing background check. Essentially they're saying we can check you well enough to decide if you're a 'threat'.

See my sibling comment, the TSA does a background check on everyone who flies already. The difference is that with Pre you have a unique number instead of a possibly non-unique name.

Post by rkk3 » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 5:55 PM UTC

titzer wrote: post #235

bedhead wrote: post #203

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Mass loss of life. Novel way in which people died. People dying randomly (hard to avoid). General hysteria. Paranoia over a minority group. Moral outrage against anyone not falling inline politically. Overreaching government plans to keep people safe. Petty symbolism (freedom fries/masks) to sort the moral from the immoral. Should I go on?

You think masks are petty symbolism? I think that kind of trolling just raises the temperature here, which I'd like to avoid, so no, please, do not go on.

Post by jackson1442 » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 5:58 PM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #646

carabiner wrote: post #637

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TSA Pre requires fingerprinting and a background check. You definitely give up some privacy in signing up for it. I mean you can unlock some computer devices with fingerprints.

The government already has my fingerprints, because I had to give them to get a passport (edit: I've been informed this was only because I also did Global Entry) and also when I was in elementary school they fingerprinted everyone and also when I got my driver's license. Pretty much if you're a US citizen they already have your fingerprints.