Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

ocregister.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

571–580 of 969 posts

Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

#571

Post by yazaddaruvala »

noetic_techy wrote: post #47

I'll take it a step further. We need a total paradigm redesign of airports. Imagine and airport designed to the point where you can literally drive up (or be dropped by an autonomous vehicle) 10 minutes before your flight, Throw your luggage onto a belt where a robot auto tags it based on your a facial recognition algorithm, and walk through an unobtrusive security point that's totally AI driven, and walk direct to y…

This was exactly my experience in Singapore. I loved every min of my 10 mins in the airport.

Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

#572

Post by isoskeles »

Jasper_ wrote: post #533
isoskeles wrote: post #518

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except now I’m supposed to show a digital vaccine record many places I go. Not many open source options exist for reading them either, so I’m just supposed to trust that the data (name, birth date, maybe location) isn’t being sent to some marketing analytics company somewhere. Edit: Since some HN commenters want to play disingenuous games and insert words into my mouth, I’ll clarify my specific problem is with these…

when I got my first vaccine, they gave me a paper card, and they put stickers on it to record which vaccines I got, and I put it in my wallet where it's been ever since. I haven't (yet, I guess) had to show a "digital vaccine record", I just show my paper card and they stare at it for a bit and then wave me through. if you did not get that option, that sucks, and it sounds a bit inconvenient, but, uh, yeah, over 600,…

You don’t know where my data is. And regardless, that doesn’t mean I’m supposed to be okay with another vector that I cannot opt out of for potentially selling my data.

Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

#573

Post by modzu »

mrtksn wrote: post #493
hunterb123 wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah lockdowns were super well tested and worked wonders /s No, they cratered the middle class while making the rich richer. Now they know not to lock down to destroy the economy but instead push to destroy personal freedoms.

Talk to your local lockdown provider if you are not happy with the results. Done properly, of course a lockdown would be effective. Why? Because of the Germ theory. The viruses exist and they don't teleport. If anything, I would have much preferred if we had a month of global lockdown instead of years of slow burn battle. We wouldn't have had to convince people for vaccination too. It worked for Wuhan.

do you know what would happen if everybody on earth gave themselves 6 feet of space from each other for 14 days? the same thing that would happen if you teleported the virus to the moon. why didnt anyone think of that!

Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

#574

Post by snowwrestler »

hunterb123 wrote: post #505
mrtksn wrote: post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't know why those who already have immunity would get the vaccine. There are studies showing that a shot post Covid-19 greatly increases the immune response agains variants, so there could be reasons. In Europe getting the decease and beating it is considered good enough for immunity. Talk to your local authorities if you are not happy with your local practices.

But only last for 6 months, hence the boosters. Natural immunity lasts longer.

All immunity is natural; vaccines don’t install a new immune system.

Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

#575

Post by isoskeles »

_6pvr wrote: post #565
isoskeles wrote: post #563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry bud, I can turn off my phone. I can leave my phone at home. My phone carrier doesn’t sell my location, they just give it to the police if I commit a murder.

Sorry bud, you can avoid events that require vaccine passports. You can move to deeply conservative states that share your views. Tell me again how it's different.

Oh I bet you use that same dipshit logic when discussing homeless people being told to move somewhere cheaper.

Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

#576

Post by hunterb123 »

zucked wrote: post #552
hunterb123 wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When I think of getting a vaccine... I just do it as a part of normal life That's exactly my point. You aren't thinking, you're just following. > What happened to thinking of other people? My point as well. It's the same "think of the children" argument that was being discussed above. That itself is not a reason. People have immunity. The curve is flattened, the goal posts have been moved out of the stadium.

> The curve is flattened, the goal posts have been moved out of the stadium. How are you quantifying that? The original intent of flattening the curve was to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system and here we are... overwhelming the healthcare system(s) again. A quick check of capacity of ICU beds in the SE USA shows that on average, hospitals are running 92% capacity(1). Obviously you want right-sized ICU capacity…

You would need to know the normal margin and the % that covid patients are taking for that to be significant.

Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

#577

Post by SergeAx »

jjeaff wrote: post #471
boldlybold wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how HN is so willing to agree with the absurdity of security theater at airports, yet so resistant to calling out the pandemic theater we're living every day.

I live in a pretty liberal area, so I assume we are taking stronger measures than your average area, and I have to say that nothing surrounding any covid precautions even approaches what it takes to get on a flight. Wear a mask indoors? Get the jab that most people wanted anyway? I'm just not seeing this Orwellian oppression that some people seem to be suffering under right now. NYC is the most strict, but they are a…

I live in Moscow, Russia, and there was a brief time when I was stripped of rights to enter a restaurant, cafe, gym, theater, concert or sports venue. There was talking about requirement of vaccination to use public transit and even a taxi.

Fortunately, those restrictions were cancelled after 3 weeks, because you know, voting day is coming and we don't need angry citizens to vote against ruling party. But the infrastructure is there and it may be used again any time now.

Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

#578

Post by _6pvr »

isoskeles wrote: post #575
_6pvr wrote: post #565

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry bud, you can avoid events that require vaccine passports. You can move to deeply conservative states that share your views. Tell me again how it's different.

Oh I bet you use that same dipshit logic when discussing homeless people being told to move somewhere cheaper.

> Oh I bet you use that same dipshit logic

This amount of disrespect is unwarranted.

> when discussing homeless people being told to move somewhere cheaper.

What an absolutely insane whataboutism. This has nothing to do with what we're discussing and you look like a joke. You're asserting that vaccine passports infringe upon your freedoms. Just don't go to those bars. Jesus.

Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

#579

Post by isoskeles »

_6pvr wrote: post #578
isoskeles wrote: post #575

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I bet you use that same dipshit logic when discussing homeless people being told to move somewhere cheaper.

> Oh I bet you use that same dipshit logic This amount of disrespect is unwarranted. > when discussing homeless people being told to move somewhere cheaper. What an absolutely insane whataboutism. This has nothing to do with what we're discussing and you look like a joke. You're asserting that vaccine passports infringe upon your freedoms. Just don't go to those bars. Jesus.

Play the victim after telling me to pack up my life and move states. Fuck off.

Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

#580

Post by heleninboodler »

belkinpower wrote: post #456
stoolpigeon wrote: post #18

The US is the only place I think I've had to remove shoes for flight security in years. But in Europe taking off a belt is often required while in the US it is not. In Budapest they stopped having us remove laptops from bags a bit ago. My biggest challenge over the years was remembering what to do in each place as the security people at the airports had a tendency to get upset if you didn't do it their preferred way.

> My biggest challenge over the years was remembering what to do in each place as the security people at the airports had a tendency to get upset if you didn't do it their preferred way. For as much as I complain about security theater and think they’re mostly useless, this is genuinely my biggest issue with TSA. It’s wildly inconsistent, there’s insufficient signage, and they act like you’re an idiot if you haven’t…

Two weeks ago in San Diego, the security line forked into two conveyor belt lines. I walked past the first option (the second had a shorter line), and as I did, the guy stationed there was loudly shouting to the whole line that all electronic devices bigger than a cell phone must be removed from bags. I proceeded to the second line, where I got scolded for taking my laptop out of my bag. I gestured to the other guy and said "he told us all electronic items bigger than a cell phone should be removed." The response? "That's that line, this is this line."

This is my biggest complaint too. The entire idiotic process would be a lot more efficient if they just had consistent expectations and a consistent process so we could all just comply without having to clarify things or being told we're doing it wrong.

Also, could they please give us a reasonable place to move our stuff to while we put our shoes on so we're not holding up the line?

Post reply on HN