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20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

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Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

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Post by Sebb767 »

Dudeman112 wrote: post #472
platz wrote: post #332

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Not if the definition of terrorism I use is one of the 11 definitions that preclude that possibility.

Yes, some definitions are crappy. Do we have a word for "imperialist government uses violence against people to achieve political goals"? Because "it's not terrorism because it's a state" is always gonna stink of trying to dodge the topic on a technicality.

> Do we have a word for "imperialist government uses violence against people to achieve political goals"?

Yes, we call this "war".

> Because "it's not terrorism because it's a state" is always gonna stink of trying to dodge the topic on a technicality.

No, it's not. Nobody is trying to dogde the bad aspects of the word, it's just that terrorism specifically is, by definition, not from a state.

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Post by danans »

FigurativeVoid wrote: post #174

When I was last traveling, the person in front of me asked TSA agent "Why do we have to take our shoes off?" He replied, "Have you heard of the shoe bomber?" When I think about it, that's a crazy policy to have since it only happened once (and it didn't even work). If we follow that sort of logic we should be wearing masks every time we fly. It's just a bizarre policy.

> If we follow that sort of logic we should be wearing masks every time we fly.

We do wear masks every time we fly nowadays. Or maybe that was your point?

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Post by r00fus »

duxup wrote: post #222

So much security that not sense. I attend college football games. Everyone goes through security. Outside security we pack up in masses of humanity outside the gates waiting to get through the inevitably slow security. It would be far more effective to do something at the gates dude to the density of humanity there where there is no security ... than in the stadium where people are actually more spread out. If someon…

There's a name for it: Security Theater [1]. "Security theater is the practice of taking security measures that are intended to provide the feeling of improved security while doing little or nothing to achieve it."

Some have likened it to a jobs program that both increases the surveillance capability of the government as well as provides political creds for the representatives in those districts where airports exist, similar to the Military Industrial Complex.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater

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Post by biomcgary »

duxup wrote: post #448
boldlybold wrote: post #442

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Funny how HN is so willing to agree with the absurdity of security theater at airports, yet so resistant to calling out the pandemic theater we're living every day.

Probably because we can't see much evidence of airport security doing anything. And vaccines and etc are backed by science?

Know of any randomized controlled trials on airport security?

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Post by hunterb123 »

mrtksn wrote: post #484
hunterb123 wrote: post #461

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Funny reddit quip you got there, but I'm talking about those who already have immunity, why should they risk the vaccine, even if small. https://openvaers.com/covid-data

I wouldn't know why those who already have immunity would get the vaccine. There are studies showing that a shot post Covid-19 greatly increases the immune response agains variants, so there could be reasons. In Europe getting the decease and beating it is considered good enough for immunity. Talk to your local authorities if you are not happy with your local practices.

But only last for 6 months, hence the boosters. Natural immunity lasts longer.

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Post by pessimizer »

itchyjunk wrote: post #300
cujo wrote: post #274

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> Now, we will likely add further controls on travel in the form of digital health passports with infinitely more possibility for government mischief. How do you see digital health passports as having infinitely more possibility for govt mischief? Right now TSA has the ability to treat you like a criminal if they think you looked at them funny. The health passport "mischief" seems more along the lines of "you don't h…

Is it under your control? Say you do have the vaccines but get to the airport and find out you are on a no fly list. Is that issue trivially easy to fix? From some of the post I've read here, it's a black box system with very little standard process to help you get out of it. Filing law suite isn't easy[0]. [0] https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/michigan-father-wrongly-...

It certainly may be, but it doesn't inherently have to be. Kids need vaccinations to go to school (I mean pre-Wakefield and that blond lady from Playboy who married a Backstreet Boy whose name escapes me), the way you proved it was to show your documents that you got from your doctor.

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Post by hunterb123 »

jjeaff wrote: post #479
hunterb123 wrote: post #420

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What are the reasons not to get a vaccine? I haven't seen any real data that indicated that.

Waiting to see the long term effects of a mRNA vaccine?

Natural immunity as I mentioned before.

Religious reasons.

Just because. You don't need a reason, it's your body.

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