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Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by sjmulder »

devwastaken wrote: post #72
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #18

YouTube has been changing in weird ways in the last year or so. The amount of propaganda on the platform is ridiculous, though very frequently disguised as "news" or "educational". As someone who's been around quite a bit, I can also imagine that it doesn't look like propaganda to average Americans (I'd be glad to be wrong on this). A great deal of content is just plain sophistry too. Inspecting comments, it seems th…

Watch one "conservative news" video and it will do a complete 180. Ads for "rations", "preparing for the end of the world", "how to be self sustainable", tons of PragerU propaganda, and some of the most low quality l BS you'll ever see from political ads. YouTube delivers content based on what you've watched.

Late night show Zondag met Lubach put this to the test: https://youtu.be/FLoR2Spftwg (English CC available. Skip to 11:48 if you just want to see this bit.)

They created a fresh account using a fresh browser, clicked the top result for “PCR test reliable”, then some recommended videos. Just three clicks in they get to 9/11 and qanon conspiracy videos. By then their home feed too is full of that stuff.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by Mockapapella »

drcongo wrote: post #29
mcjiggerlog wrote: post #17

The Linux Experiment is probably my favourite linux-focussed YouTube channel. Nick has been doing absolutely fantastic work and his channel being permanently deleted would be an absolute travesty and a clear mistake. He is producing high quality, thoughtful, inoffensive content. Here's to hoping the channel is rightly reinstated ASAP, along with an apology and explanation from Google. Also, if you don't know the chan…

What is Odysee? I'm intrigued because at first glance it seems to be better than YouTube in almost every way possible. Page loads are quick, if you turn off AutoPlay it actually stays off, the controls are actually usable on an iPad etc.

Holy crap, you weren't kidding about the pages loading quickly. I wish every web page loaded that fast.

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Post by morganvachon »

Forbo wrote: post #290
int_19h wrote: post #207

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Most of the content on any such platform is going to be the kind that was banned from mainstream platforms for whatever reason. But it's not just alt-right agitprop that gets banned. And any individual targeted group is not large enough to maintain a viable platform of their own. So either we have a public platform place with the stink, or we have none at all.

I think the complaint isn't that the content exists there, but rather that it makes up the vast majority of what is found there. If the majority of Netflix content is trash that I wouldn't want to watch, why would I continue using Netflix? I think the big issue here is that there hasn't been a need for opposing content to be published on the platform, and until there is it will remain slanted one way. This in and of…

This was exactly my point, thank you. Unfortunately it seems like expressing my desire not to see hate speech is an unpopular position here. I expect better from the HN crowd, but there it is.

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Post by morganvachon »

int_19h wrote: post #301
Forbo wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the complaint isn't that the content exists there, but rather that it makes up the vast majority of what is found there. If the majority of Netflix content is trash that I wouldn't want to watch, why would I continue using Netflix? I think the big issue here is that there hasn't been a need for opposing content to be published on the platform, and until there is it will remain slanted one way. This in and of…

You might continue to watch Netflix because the shows you do like are exclusively available there, and just ignore the rest of the library. It's not that there hasn't been a need for other stuff to be published - it's that there hasn't been a proportional need. Which is exactly what I meant: any alternatives to established platforms are going to have the preponderance of content banished from those established platfo…

The difference is that Netflix isn’t promoting and profiting off of hate speech and disinformation. Odysee apparently is. I’m sure there is content on the service that I would enjoy, but having to wade through the garbage to find the gold doesn’t appeal to me.

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Post by morganvachon »

jvdheuvel wrote: post #309
morganvachon wrote: post #192

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I just scrolled through their main feed and every other video was some kind of alt-right misinformation rant (COVID is fake, Joe Biden is dead/dying/has dementia, Antifa is killing kids, etc.). Just based on that alone I want no part of it.

There is plenty of content on Odysee that is not alt-right of alt-left. https://odysee.com/@aantonop:8 (talks a lot about crypto) https://odysee.com/@HackerSploit:26 (cybersecurity) https://odysee.com/@NaomiBrockwell:4 (all kinds of it stuff) etc. etc. put a word in the search bar and see what you get

I’m sure you’re correct, and I know how to use a search bar, but my issue is that their main feed is full of garbage and hate, something I don’t want to see every time I go to the service. I get the need for a censorship free service, I just lament the fact that they always end up as cesspools of hatred and idiocy.

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Post by tg180 »

mcguire wrote: post #368
tg180 wrote: post #324

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YouTube, as well as other major Internet companies, have a near-monopoly over their sectors which leaves them lacking any competitive drive to be better, do better, or for people to go elsewhere. Without realistic alternatives it is spontaneous (even if erroneous) to think about the implication of private infrastructure over public rights. But the real matter is an issue of scale. I am convinced that sooner or later…

I have no doubt that you are right. But that's a kind of censorship, too, isn't it?

I don’t see how applying existing antitrust regulations would be censorship. But limiting what companies are able to do is a kind of it, sure!

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Post by colordrops »

tablespoon wrote: post #314
remram wrote: post #221

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Algorithms do whatever humans program them to do, which can be delete, warn, email, slack, or call phones.

> Algorithms do whatever humans program them to do, which can be delete, warn, email, slack, or call phones. I think it's worth noting that algorithms like these are deployed specifically to take employees out of the loop, and adding a communications step would almost certainly pull them back in.

Communicating which rule the video broke could be done without an employee in the loop.

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Post by klyrs »

ashtonkem wrote: post #375
klyrs wrote: post #337

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I like to tell myself that's because real lefties adhere to the doctrine of Gil Scott Heron, The Revolution Will Not be Televised, even though they won't understand 99% of the cultural references

I’m split between two causes myself. 1) The utter lack of support from monied interests. 2) The fact that leftists love nothing more than fighting slightly different types of other leftists.

"I like to tell myself" isn't a strong indication of something that I actually believe. So, here goes

3) the radical left is a bogeyman and the reason you don't see many of them is that they're exceptionally rare.

4) radical leftists have better opsec after generations of actual persecution and censorship, and don't do youtube

5) I think tiktok is more popular with the left?

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Post by throwaway316943 »

didibus wrote: post #335
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #274

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Go and actually read Popper and you'll find he was close to a free speak maximalist his views on when you shouldn't "tolerate" intolerance was an incredibly high bar that almost nothing ever hits.

My read of Popper was that we should be prepared to even use force against intolerant people who are not willing to engage in rational debate. What Popper didn't anticipate is that the square of public opinion would become the internet, and a big question this creates is if the internet is a place where rationale debate and proportional representation of ideas is possible or not. If the internet were to make the publ…

To me it seems he’s clearly saying that if they decide to use force then we should be prepared to respond in kind not that we should use force to suppress irrational argument. The end of the first sentence maps to the end of the second.

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Post by throwaway316943 »

didibus wrote: post #319
causi wrote: post #169

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Everyone always seems happy to carve out their own exceptions to freedom of expression. Freedom, except for racism. Freedom, except for transgenderism. Freedom, except for porn. Freedom, except for violence. Freedom, except for political dissent or mis-gendering or the promotion or criticism of a religion. As someone who falls near the middle on most issues I probably detest a larger percentage of speakers than anyon…

Okay, but how do you reconcile that with the fact that hate speech and propaganda has been a part of almost all atrocities ever done in the past? Or put some other way, how do you reconcile that your freedom can be affected by someone's else's freedom? Like what if I use my freedom to turn others against you and have them hate you and berate you and bully you and ridicule you and refute you, and potentially have them…

Bad example considering censorship is also a tool of murderous and totalitarian regimes.
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