The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated • Hacker News Board

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by CyanBird » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 6:27 PM UTC

corobo wrote: post #48

fragileone wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a peer-to-peer video client, with part of it's data being directly shared (similarly to torrents) and part via a blockchain. This makes it highly resistant to censorship and thus is where many people are moving their channels to.

> This makes it highly resistant to censorship We should probably stop using this phrase as a feature Instant thought was "ok so other than this channel it's all racism"

My first thought was "oh the heck will you take out all the porn and potential faaar more ilegal types of porn from that"

And

"I don't want to need down load a ledger which might contain even encrypted versions of that"

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by ZWoz » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 6:27 PM UTC

mcguire wrote: post #269

throwaway316943 wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conversely, what if your assumed truth is false and you successfully censor any attempt to disprove it?

Conversely, yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater is a great way to drum up an evening's entertainment.

Yelling "Fire!" in theatre is miscontructed-misunderstood idea and probably legal: https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-tim...

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by KeepFlying » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 6:28 PM UTC

Teknoman117 wrote: post #277

hapless wrote: post #114

It appears to have been banned when the author offered an illegal sweepstakes. Contests and sweepstakes are carefully regulated in America, with slightly different regimes in all 50 states. You should not run one unless you have gotten legal help with it!

That doesn't make much sense though, given that many of the tech YouTubers (LinusTechTips, JayzTwoCents, to name a few) have done hardware giveaways fairly regularly. "We're giving away RTX 3080s and 3090s to verifiable gamers" is the recent trend. LTT is in Vancouver, but JayzTwoCents is in Southern California somewhere, and therefore, the United States.

Except those channels probably have the means to run it legally and with the right caveats, legalese, tax documentation, etc.

Sweepstakes and giveaways aren't banned, they just have some overhead and legal requirements around them.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by nickysielicki » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 6:29 PM UTC

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #18

YouTube has been changing in weird ways in the last year or so. The amount of propaganda on the platform is ridiculous, though very frequently disguised as "news" or "educational". As someone who's been around quite a bit, I can also imagine that it doesn't look like propaganda to average Americans (I'd be glad to be wrong on this). A great deal of content is just plain sophistry too. Inspecting comments, it seems th…

The way that they've changed search to only link to checkmarked channels is infuriating. When Kabul was falling I wanted to see older videos of the embassy, from when it was opened, to see the buildings and how extravagant they were. I couldn't find any, though, because no matter what I searched I got videos from news channels released within the past 24 hours about evacuating the embassy. The war on "misinformation" needs to stop.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by shadowgovt » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 6:30 PM UTC

vorpalhex wrote: post #154

slightwinder wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, the bans usually were about china fabricating the virus on purpose and releasing it with intention, accompanied by racism against Asians. This is pretty different from the accidental leak of a research-object, which is now the accepted theory.

The media did themselves and the public a disservice by gluing the two theories together and blending them. Several friends - college educated, intelligent professionals - were confused enough to approach and ask me about the lab leak/release theories. The intentional lab release theory is the stuff of nonsense conspiracy theories. The accidental leak theory has always had some support but is now more widely accepted…

On YouTube and Facebook, "the media" is just "stuff people are saying in videos they post."

So this point reduces to "both were bannable offenses because people were posting videos that glued them together," which... Yes, that's why.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by pbhjpbhj » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 6:31 PM UTC

rscoots wrote: post #264

spurgu wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not. The consensus (here at least) seems quite clear.

Well not clear enough I guess since my comment just got downvoted 4 times lol.

Perhaps they're fallacy fans who dislike your use of 'begs the question' (an archaic term that does _not_ mean 'raises the question', which you mean here).

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 6:31 PM UTC

hapless wrote: post #114

It appears to have been banned when the author offered an illegal sweepstakes. Contests and sweepstakes are carefully regulated in America, with slightly different regimes in all 50 states. You should not run one unless you have gotten legal help with it!

The error message claims that an account has not existed or has been deleted long ago, not "you violated our ToS and are permabanned no appeals kthxbye". Assuming this recovery attempt was started within whatever Google considers that short time, it implies something else is happening.

One possible guess would be the account getting hacked, somehow moved to a different address, then deleted. (I have no idea how primary e-mail addresses work for Google/Gmail accounts, except that what used to be a standalone YouTube account got merged into a Google account which once I created a gmail address for it suddenly had a different primary e-mail address, so there are ways for stuff like this to change and "brand accounts" complicate it further on YouTube).

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by meowface » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 6:32 PM UTC

laurent92 wrote: post #252

iotku wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that while based on LBRY (The supposedly censorship resistant blockchain protocol) Odysee is a bit more opinionated front end with restrictions on things such as pornography. By the standards of "alternative" video sites there's a pretty diverse set of content including mirrors from some well known YouTube creators (KhanAcademy, EEVBlog, GreatScott, Veritasium, HarwareUnboxed, Not Just Bikes, EposVo…

Veritasium is not political? He is, very. It’s just that you don’t see it. It’s not an accusation, just a reminder that the background noise is non-neutral, and he doesn’t contrast very much on your background ;)

Veritasium is very political?

Can you link a video where politics comes in at all, let alone something that's very political? https://www.youtube.com/c/veritasium/videos

Maybe the driverless car one can be seen as somewhat political (by advocating for use of self-driving cars), but it's not necessarily a polarizing issue split along US political party lines, at the moment.

Or do you mean the host of the channel is very political, whether or not any of that is indicated in any of the videos?

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by wheybags » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 6:33 PM UTC

Teknoman117 wrote: post #277

hapless wrote: post #114

It appears to have been banned when the author offered an illegal sweepstakes. Contests and sweepstakes are carefully regulated in America, with slightly different regimes in all 50 states. You should not run one unless you have gotten legal help with it!

That doesn't make much sense though, given that many of the tech YouTubers (LinusTechTips, JayzTwoCents, to name a few) have done hardware giveaways fairly regularly. "We're giving away RTX 3080s and 3090s to verifiable gamers" is the recent trend. LTT is in Vancouver, but JayzTwoCents is in Southern California somewhere, and therefore, the United States.

LTT weren't giving them away though. First come first served, and you only got the opportunity to buy them at MSRP, instead of scalper markups. They werent given away for free.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by Forbo » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 6:37 PM UTC

int_19h wrote: post #207

morganvachon wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just scrolled through their main feed and every other video was some kind of alt-right misinformation rant (COVID is fake, Joe Biden is dead/dying/has dementia, Antifa is killing kids, etc.). Just based on that alone I want no part of it.

Most of the content on any such platform is going to be the kind that was banned from mainstream platforms for whatever reason. But it's not just alt-right agitprop that gets banned. And any individual targeted group is not large enough to maintain a viable platform of their own. So either we have a public platform place with the stink, or we have none at all.

I think the complaint isn't that the content exists there, but rather that it makes up the vast majority of what is found there. If the majority of Netflix content is trash that I wouldn't want to watch, why would I continue using Netflix? I think the big issue here is that there hasn't been a need for opposing content to be published on the platform, and until there is it will remain slanted one way. This in and of itself will further reduce adoption by the opposition, as seen above, because of how immediately off-putting it is.