The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated • Hacker News Board

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by tablespoon » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 8:53 PM UTC

kbenson wrote: post #356

tablespoon wrote: post #303

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>> Go and actually read Popper and you'll find he was close to a free speak maximalist his views on when you shouldn't "tolerate" intolerance was an incredibly high bar that almost nothing ever hits. > So, I should read 25 books to verify that your one sentence claim is valid? > Why not back that up with some relevant quotes to support your thesis, friend? That seems a decent thing to do compared to the litany of hom…

> Your snark isn't warranted. Honestly, given the comment being replied to started with "go and actually read" I think the snark is warranted if they want. Also, for what it's worth I think they were trying to modulate that snark a bit by using "friend". If it's truly easy to realize what is being asked, a pointer in the right direction is useful. If it does require a lot of work, then providing some evidence to at l…

> Also, for what it's worth I think they were trying to modulate that snark a bit by using "friend".

The internet sucks for nuance, but "friend" in this context doesn't read as modulation to me, it reads as sarcasm (and thus intensifies the snark).

Edit: Dropped a response that was due to a simple misreading. Sorry.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by nabakin » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 8:54 PM UTC

fouc wrote: post #306

nabakin wrote: post #293

Channel has been reinstated! https://twitter.com/thelinuxEXP/status/1435311971973406726 I want to know what happened for Google to make such a serious mistake.

That twitter link didn't work for me. Can confirm it's back: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheLinuxExperiment Seems glitchy though, I can't sort by "most popular", it suddenly says "this channel has no videos". Hopefully that's just an old cached result that will clear up at some point.

Looks like he couldn't login so he deleted the tweet. Here's the new twitter thread: https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1435317727158177796

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by raydev » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 8:57 PM UTC

sschueller wrote: post #278

hapless wrote: post #114

It appears to have been banned when the author offered an illegal sweepstakes. Contests and sweepstakes are carefully regulated in America, with slightly different regimes in all 50 states. You should not run one unless you have gotten legal help with it!

If this is true there are several very large youtubers that are running illegal sweepstakes. Jake and Logan Paul for example.

How do you know those sweepstakes are illegal? Have you verified that the Paul brothers either have bad legal teams or no legal teams?

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by raydev » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 9:08 PM UTC

dangus wrote: post #261

ganoushoreilly wrote: post #216

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If that's it, it's a ridiculous premise. I won some music equipment from Sweetwater by liking and commenting on a video (though not sure they would be able to verify the like). I expect things like this to continue to grow as we rely more and more on algorithms in all walks of life without thinking through true recourse options.

If true, the channel owner was trying to game the system to make their channel look like it was more popular than it really was. An analogy would be like a TV host telling the audience to watch the show on five televisions so that they would get a higher Nielsen ratings and then get more money from advertisers. No TV network or advertiser would be happy about that. In other words, if this is what was really happening…

Sweetwater is not "getting away with it." They have verified legal clearance, and the owner of linux experience does not.

Your concerns about "scamming" aren't relevant. Many of YouTube's most popular channels do this sort of contest, and there is no hard ban on this type of thing.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by RegnisGnaw » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 9:13 PM UTC

Jensson wrote: post #300

RegnisGnaw wrote: post #135

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Your plan fails, lets say they implement what you do. Let say that company X advertises but only on the safe subjets. Then my immediate attack will be: "Company X advertises on a website showing jailbait sexual content" or "Company X advertising on a site promoting Q Conspiracy". You are going to fight an uphill battle explaining to people the naunces of the system, which is a losing battle.

Your comment doesn't make sense, Youtube still show those videos in the current system it just doesn't run ads on them. So if it was an issue then it would have already happened, the fact that it doesn't mean that it isn't an issue.

Again your dealing with absolutes here.

Yes there are still jailbait videos on YouTube, but Google is already heavily moderating and deleting videos. The more "extreme" ones are already being deleted and moderated, what is left is probably more of the tamer ones. The amount of jailbait videos or hate videos or whatever you see now is probably 1/10 or less of what would be there if it was a free for all.

What is being proposed is no moderation of content. The advertisers can choose what to show ads on, but that's it. In that case there would be a flood of these contents. Then its easier to attack them.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by strainer » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

joe_guy wrote: post #338

iotku wrote: post #171

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It's worth noting that while based on LBRY (The supposedly censorship resistant blockchain protocol) Odysee is a bit more opinionated front end with restrictions on things such as pornography. By the standards of "alternative" video sites there's a pretty diverse set of content including mirrors from some well known YouTube creators (KhanAcademy, EEVBlog, GreatScott, Veritasium, HarwareUnboxed, Not Just Bikes, EposVo…

> Given goals towards freedom of speech, some content won't align with you politically (and some might), but there's enough decent content that you can potentially use it as an alternative platform successfully. I find high curation is the only way I find a service like YouTube to be usable. There's an endless sea of content on there. It's not important that I agree with it or not, it's important if it's quality, whi…

The prominent Linux tech blogger, Bryan Lunduke left and denounced them this summer despite having been an early adopter and supporter. He had made a complaint on how they chose to give an exclusive spotlight to a partiuclarly trashy channel and then recieved a reply from their "Cheif Marketing Officer" which was itself shamelessly vulgar and trashy and boasted that such trash is "the Odysee Brand". Lundukes explaination for leaving seems to be only archived in his subscription/free-to-view social network lunduke.locals.com.

For worthwhile content I hold more hope for rokfin - www.rokfin.com/discover

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by oblio » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #161

oblio wrote: post #110

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Congratulations! You've solved the easiest part. Now get back to us in 5 years, when you'll have managed to build a comparable audience just by using SEO.

Wait. Is building an audience using SEO supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing?

It's neither, it's just not a trivial undertaking.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by mcguire » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 9:20 PM UTC

tg180 wrote: post #324

mcguire wrote: post #266

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So you've nationalized Youtube, eh?

YouTube, as well as other major Internet companies, have a near-monopoly over their sectors which leaves them lacking any competitive drive to be better, do better, or for people to go elsewhere. Without realistic alternatives it is spontaneous (even if erroneous) to think about the implication of private infrastructure over public rights. But the real matter is an issue of scale. I am convinced that sooner or later…

I have no doubt that you are right. But that's a kind of censorship, too, isn't it?

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by kbenson » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 9:20 PM UTC

tablespoon wrote: post #361

kbenson wrote: post #356

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> Your snark isn't warranted. Honestly, given the comment being replied to started with "go and actually read" I think the snark is warranted if they want. Also, for what it's worth I think they were trying to modulate that snark a bit by using "friend". If it's truly easy to realize what is being asked, a pointer in the right direction is useful. If it does require a lot of work, then providing some evidence to at l…

> Also, for what it's worth I think they were trying to modulate that snark a bit by using "friend". The internet sucks for nuance, but "friend" in this context doesn't read as modulation to me, it reads as sarcasm (and thus intensifies the snark). Edit: Dropped a response that was due to a simple misreading. Sorry.

> The internet sucks for nuance, but "friend" in this context doesn't read as modulation to me, it reads as sarcasm (and thus intensifies the snark).

It does suck for nuance. The safest and most useful thing to do here (as a place that tries to keep things civil) is to assume it's not snark and treat it as sincere. If it was sincere, treating it as if it's not is causing more of a problem, and if it's not, treating it as if it is leads to useful responses.

> I don't think that's the case. There are a couple of other comments that read the GGP as unnecessarily snarky.

I think perhaps you misread me? I chose you as a representative comment to reply to because there were a few along similar lines. If it was just one, I probably wouldn't have bothered.

> The only thing I did that was unique was note that he didn't have to search through "25 books" to get the answer, because his own source gave it directly.

I'll just say that if that information was known to the original replier, it should have been included, and if it wasn't, perhaps the reply should have been reworded?

That you actually provided useful info is another reason I bothered to reply to yours. As one that actually provided value to the discussion, I hoped to steer any additional eyeballs responses might draw to a useful comment, rather than a useless one.

I don't want to clutter this discussion too much with meta forum etiquette stuff, which I'm already prone to do at times, so I'll try to refrain from any additional responses on this.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by numeromancer » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 9:27 PM UTC

pwdisswordfish8 wrote: post #201

sophacles wrote: post #137

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That's because people are literally buying and eating horse dewormer. Its in a package that says "horse dewormer" on it. It's sold at livestock stores in the "horse medicine" section. The media is 100% correct to call what people are poisoning themselves with "horse dewormer". I bet you get mad at the news for reporting rain because water exists in other forms, and has other ways of moving about besides rain right?

Did Joe Rogan literally buy and eat something from a package that says "horse dewormer" on it? You willingly ignored the salient parts of the comment you responded to (ironically providing more evidence of the very phenomenon that they're trying to discuss).

No, it was prescribed by his doctor.

Which brings up another point: some pharmacies are refusing to fill it, even when prescribed by a doctor. If you want to place the blame for people getting "horse dewormer", such pharmacies deserve part of the blame.