The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated • Hacker News Board

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by dangus » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:46 PM UTC

ganoushoreilly wrote: post #216

juniperplant wrote: post #185

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There was a giveaway of a Tuxedo laptop[1]. Whoever wanted to participate had to comment on the video announcing the giveaway, which apparently goes against YouTube's TOS (as far as I can tell comments count affects YouTube's algorithm). [1] https://odysee.com/@TheLinuxExperiment:e/win-the-tuxedo-aura...

If that's it, it's a ridiculous premise. I won some music equipment from Sweetwater by liking and commenting on a video (though not sure they would be able to verify the like). I expect things like this to continue to grow as we rely more and more on algorithms in all walks of life without thinking through true recourse options.

If true, the channel owner was trying to game the system to make their channel look like it was more popular than it really was.

An analogy would be like a TV host telling the audience to watch the show on five televisions so that they would get a higher Nielsen ratings and then get more money from advertisers. No TV network or advertiser would be happy about that.

In other words, if this is what was really happening, this channel was essentially trying to scam YouTube into thinking they were more popular than they really are for their own monetary gain.

To me it seems like this channel deserved what they got, if the allegations are true.

I even doubt that the channel was automatically removed by an algorithm. Maybe it was flagged by one for human review. Just because a company doesn’t contact you doesn’t mean a human wasn’t involved in your particular case. Furthermore, just because Sweetwater got away with it one time doesn’t mean it’s not against the TOS.

I’m just speculating, and I don’t have skin in the game.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by smallbizdev420 » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

commandlinefan wrote: post #209

vorpalhex wrote: post #111

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Remember when posting the lab leak hypothesis on Facebook would get you banned and now it's, as best as we can figure, the most plausible theory? There is no human run group fit to decide what is or is not "disinformation".

In fact, most of the "people are dying because they're injecting themselves with horse dewormer" story can be traced back to a rolling stone article that quoted a doctor who said so. The only problem was, they actually quoted the doctor's name as well as an actual hospital he supposedly worked at - and the hospital issued a statement that that doctor neither worked there nor had they treated any Ivermectin overdoses…

Relying on one source for information is wrong, the hearsay article which reported what the doc in Oklahoma said without verifying the claims about ivermectin overdoses was wrong.

What is not wrong is this:

According to the National Poison Data System (NPDS), which collects information from the nation's 55 poison control centers, there was a 245% jump in reported exposure cases from July to August — from 133 to 459.

Source: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/0...

On the one hand, it's nice to know this number is low, on the other hand the numbers are likely under-reporting. Low toxicity doses and symptoms are likely unrecorded. Self medication with prescription drugs is a bad idea.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by BizarroLand » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

throwaway316943 wrote: post #219

sanderjd wrote: post #186

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The privilege to broadcast thoughts to billions of people at no cost is one that we just invented in the last twenty years. It is not a right.

In that case lets apply your principal evenly to all rights. Freedom of movement: heading somewhere we don’t agree with, ok but you aren’t allowed to use public roads since we own those. Good luck getting to the voting station. Freedom of assembly: we don’t support your protests cause, stay off public property, go hold your protest at your own house. Freedom of conscience: fine think whatever you want but if you atte…

This is a slippery slope fallacy. Just because you can see a flaw with a system does not mean there is a flaw.

Sometimes the flaw is with you & or your line of thought.

In this case, equating "not being allowed to post far-right propaganda on every concourse of communication" is not the same as being harassed at your own home because people are allowed to protest.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by rscoots » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:52 PM UTC

spurgu wrote: post #247

rscoots wrote: post #217

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That's still begs the question though, why not simply hide or abridge that video. Or add a disclaimer? How can deleting the entire channel without warning possibly be the ethical move here?

It's not. The consensus (here at least) seems quite clear.

Well not clear enough I guess since my comment just got downvoted 4 times lol.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by iotku » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:53 PM UTC

laurent92 wrote: post #252

iotku wrote: post #171

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It's worth noting that while based on LBRY (The supposedly censorship resistant blockchain protocol) Odysee is a bit more opinionated front end with restrictions on things such as pornography. By the standards of "alternative" video sites there's a pretty diverse set of content including mirrors from some well known YouTube creators (KhanAcademy, EEVBlog, GreatScott, Veritasium, HarwareUnboxed, Not Just Bikes, EposVo…

Veritasium is not political? He is, very. It’s just that you don’t see it. It’s not an accusation, just a reminder that the background noise is non-neutral, and he doesn’t contrast very much on your background ;)

Eh perhaps, I revised the comment a few times here and there.

I guess I would say I'm aiming towards examples that are big enough to be notable and not just directly focused on political analysis or similar or type channels.

A lot of what throws somewhat sane people (I would include myself in that but of course I'm biased) off of using the alternate video sites is the second you load up the home page of something like BitChute or rumble and see nearly an entire page full heavily one-sided political content and many (justifiably) believe there's no content for them if they don't align there.

Odysee could use some more quality content for sure, but they at least operate in such a way that I'm not convinced they're only for one type of content and some of the creators I watch in Linux/technology space have somewhat of a presence there.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by mcguire » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:59 PM UTC

throwaway316943 wrote: post #219

sanderjd wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The privilege to broadcast thoughts to billions of people at no cost is one that we just invented in the last twenty years. It is not a right.

In that case lets apply your principal evenly to all rights. Freedom of movement: heading somewhere we don’t agree with, ok but you aren’t allowed to use public roads since we own those. Good luck getting to the voting station. Freedom of assembly: we don’t support your protests cause, stay off public property, go hold your protest at your own house. Freedom of conscience: fine think whatever you want but if you atte…

So you've nationalized Youtube, eh?

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by mcguire » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 6:06 PM UTC

teakettle42 wrote: post #229

mcguire wrote: post #196

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What happens if nobody listens to your proofs? What happens if they prefer the lie?

What you’re really asking is “What happens if people do not do what we tell them to do? What happens if they disagree with us?” Is it appropriate to force people to adhere to your strictures if they won’t do so voluntarily?

(So we've already given up on "Truth is not determined by a list of approved opinions, it can only be revealed by rigorously disproving everything that opposes it" then. Fine. Truth is relative.)

No, what I'm really asking is, "What happens if innocent people start being hurt by the lie?"

What happens if you are seriously injured in an accident but cannot get medical help because the intensive care facilities are full of people who disagree with the truth? Thoughts and prayers?

Does freedom come with any responsibility?

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by hojjat12000 » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 6:06 PM UTC

int_19h wrote: post #203

bArray wrote: post #100

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Sure, racists are censored by big tech, but also hackers/security researchers (if they show exploits for example), qualified medical doctors/researchers who oppose the official position of the WHO, journalists that share disturbing news (Facebook have been long deleting records of atrocities in Myanmar for example), creators that show the method for recreating dangerous experiments, etc, etc. And that's not to mentio…

"Unpopular ideas can be silenced, and inconvenient facts kept dark, without the need for any official ban. Anyone who has lived long in a foreign country will know of instances of sensational items of news—things which on their own merits would get the big headlines—being kept right out of the British press, not because the Government intervened but because of a general tacit agreement that ‘it wouldn’t do’ to mentio…

At the bottom of that page it says:

"Proposed preface to Animal Farm, first published in the Times Literary Supplement on 15 September 1972 with an introduction by Sir Bernard Crick. Ian Angus found the original manuscript in 1972."

So, I don't think this was written during WWII.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by mcguire » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 6:08 PM UTC

throwaway316943 wrote: post #231

mcguire wrote: post #196

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What happens if nobody listens to your proofs? What happens if they prefer the lie?

Conversely, what if your assumed truth is false and you successfully censor any attempt to disprove it?

Conversely, yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater is a great way to drum up an evening's entertainment.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by starfallg » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 6:08 PM UTC

throwaway316943 wrote: post #146

corobo wrote: post #48

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> This makes it highly resistant to censorship We should probably stop using this phrase as a feature Instant thought was "ok so other than this channel it's all racism"

> If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind. >…the peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, st…

>Truth

An illusion of truth can be created by repeatedly stating falsehoods by agents with an agenda to push. The question isn't about censorship, but rather how we can make our liberal democratic societies resistant to this type of manipulation, which inevitably results in terminal decline.