ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' from website after activist arrested

Post by ohgodplsno » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:32 PM UTC

dtparr wrote: post #140

ohgodplsno wrote: post #46

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ProtonMail has always said that they would comply with Swiss law. Your IP will not be logged unless you commit a crime in Switzerland and the swiss police hands in a request.

Note that the recent case involved a crime in France. So really, it's more like 'unless you commit a crime in a country that cooperates with Switzerland and the Swiss legal system decides to hand in a request'

Post by OJFord » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:35 PM UTC

joshuaissac wrote: post #167

OJFord wrote: post #153

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I think the Republic of Rose Island is more interesting in that respect. Sealand is in British waters, and not recognised by HMG or any other state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Rose_Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

According to that article, Rose Island was also in Italian territorial waters, and was invaded and destroyed by the Italian navy.

Post by drstewart » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:38 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #3

rvz wrote: post #2

It has been admitted. So they DO log your IP address when you use their service. So their customers have been lied to and have their privacy at risk. They cannot be trusted. So how long have ProtonMail kept this massive lie from its users then?

Since day #1 would be a safe guess. I don't think the honor system is a good way to deal with companies so when a company writes something like that and I have no way of verifying it then I don't believe them. Worked pretty good so far.

Post by CalChris » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:39 PM UTC

yaris wrote: post #154

CalChris wrote: post #134

Wasn't this a form of fraud? I don't know what the Swiss law is but in the United States, fraud is both a civil tort and criminal wrong. The elements of a fraud are: 1) the making of a statement 2) the falsity of the statement 3) an intent to deceive 4) reasonable reliance on the statement by the injured party 5) injury sustained as the result of the reliance ProtonMail knowingly told this activist 'we don't log your…

2. was missing when the activist started using PM. 3. also missing (unless there is strong evidence of presence). So no, no fraud. PM has to follow Swiss law and they have stated this long before the incident pretty clearly.

Post by chii » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:40 PM UTC

bluGill wrote: post #108

ghaff wrote: post #82

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Exactly. Sealand/HavenCo could Play their micronation thing right up until the UK cut their supply and comms links. Does it raise the bar for bothering to do that? Sure. But it’s certainly not absolute protection.

The trick is to grow big enough that by the time anyone thinks cutting your links you are big enough that you can't fail. I have no idea how to pull that off.