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TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by justicezyx »

tarkin2 wrote: post #28

This is a hit for US cultural dominance and influence. Americans and Brits, at least in average watch time, are now consuming media ultimately controlled by the Chinese government. And the previous election was influenced by a foreign government using American social media networks to influence, not to mention influencing the president-elect directly. Either America's own social networks are used against them or soci…

> Americans and Brits, at least in average watch time, are now consuming media ultimately controlled by the Chinese government.

That's a good thing, they will learn quickly why mass media monopoly is bad, when they now have the fear that drive them to actually look at the giant monsters...

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Post by justicezyx »

im3w1l wrote: post #241
nova22033 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit of hit for US cultural dominance and influence. How so? Almost everything I watch on tiktok is made by American content creators..Is TikTok proper even available to Chinese residents?

Let's say one American says "China good" another American says "China bad". TikTok can make sure that former gets more views.

And we all know that that's not what happens now on any major non Chinese media platforms. The reality is that most of these platforms demonize China good contents and their creators, applying double standards https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-01-22/YouTubers-under-fire-f...

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by throwaway675309 »

lambdaba wrote: post #62
game_the0ry wrote: post #24

A couple of years ago, I noticed the youtube recommendations that would get were a lot less interesting, though still relevant to me somehow. At some point I started seeing a lot more "mainstream" content, especially after media companies figured out that they needed to have a youtube presence in order to stay relevant. So I wonder if the algorithm the switched to had something to do with them potentially losing atte…

I wish someone at YouTube could explain, but the recommendation algo is nothing like what it used to be. Every refresh would bring a gem, now it's mostly the same videos, often from the same channel if I happened to watch a few in a row... Very odd.

This is exactly my experience, the absolute worst is when it clearly recommends videos that I have already watched, as if it thinks I've forgotten and somehow won't notice since apparently I'm the guy from Momento.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by ng12 »

m348e912 wrote: post #229
ng12 wrote: post #204

Can someone explain to me what happened to Vine? I feel like it beat TikTok to the punch by ~8 years before it was bought and then unceremoniously killed by Twitter. Was that the first example of US innovation being suffocated by the big tech oligopoly?

Vine's an example of the beginning of great idea that wasn't taken to its full potential. There are significant key differences between vine and tiktok. There are three that come to mind. Tiktok expanded allowed uploaded video duration up to 3 minutes. The For You Page algorithm (which drives the content you see in the feed) is scarily impressive in how it can match the viewer with content they would most want to see…

> Tiktok fosters a home for a vast number of entertaining and informative content creators that give them an edge

Vine did this too which is a big part of why it's so surprising to me: Vine didn't just have the tech but they had the community. You can still find Vine compilations on YouTube with millions of views that capture the vibrant set of content creators that Vine once had.

Honestly the only real difference between Vine and TikTok in my mind is that Vine was more focused on comedy while TikTok is more focused on music. Otherwise the two services were pretty much identical.

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Post by starik36 »

evanmoran wrote: post #225
starik36 wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have yet to see a single CCP propaganda video on TikTok. What exactly are you seeing?

They aren’t showing propaganda videos, they are filtering out what makes them look bad and emphasizing what makes them look good. Update: here’s a reference to leaked documents to this effect: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/...

Ah ok. That makes lots of sense.

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Post by freediver18 »

m348e912 wrote: post #229
ng12 wrote: post #204

Can someone explain to me what happened to Vine? I feel like it beat TikTok to the punch by ~8 years before it was bought and then unceremoniously killed by Twitter. Was that the first example of US innovation being suffocated by the big tech oligopoly?

Vine's an example of the beginning of great idea that wasn't taken to its full potential. There are significant key differences between vine and tiktok. There are three that come to mind. Tiktok expanded allowed uploaded video duration up to 3 minutes. The For You Page algorithm (which drives the content you see in the feed) is scarily impressive in how it can match the viewer with content they would most want to see…

I always wondered how it got away with using copyrighted music... that was the wow factor for me.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by nightpool »

ng12 wrote: post #274
m348e912 wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vine's an example of the beginning of great idea that wasn't taken to its full potential. There are significant key differences between vine and tiktok. There are three that come to mind. Tiktok expanded allowed uploaded video duration up to 3 minutes. The For You Page algorithm (which drives the content you see in the feed) is scarily impressive in how it can match the viewer with content they would most want to see…

> Tiktok fosters a home for a vast number of entertaining and informative content creators that give them an edge Vine did this too which is a big part of why it's so surprising to me: Vine didn't just have the tech but they had the community. You can still find Vine compilations on YouTube with millions of views that capture the vibrant set of content creators that Vine once had. Honestly the only real difference be…

TikTok had a much better creator reimbursement platform and partnerships built in from the start, and benefited a lot from the early work Twitch and YouTube did setting the tone here, as well as the growth of "influencer culture" leading to further brand and advertising involvement in the space.

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Post by foofoo4u »

game_the0ry wrote: post #24

A couple of years ago, I noticed the youtube recommendations that would get were a lot less interesting, though still relevant to me somehow. At some point I started seeing a lot more "mainstream" content, especially after media companies figured out that they needed to have a youtube presence in order to stay relevant. So I wonder if the algorithm the switched to had something to do with them potentially losing atte…

I wish someone could make a YouTube 2011 clone. Maybe call it YouTube classic — of course this would be a trademark infringement, so it would have to be named something else. But seriously, if I can get YouTube 2011 back with its human curated categories and recommended videos sidebar that is based on the video that is currently being watched, then I would be so happy!

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

quickthrowman wrote: post #96
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a man who tried to force TikTok out of the US or out of Chinese control…

Let’s be honest about it: the former president was trying to reward Larry Ellison for his support, that’s all it was and that’s why it didn’t happen.

Actually it did happen, and was reversed this year.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/09/biden-revokes-and-replaces-t...

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