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TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by Spivak »

lugged wrote: post #206
zepto wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is literally nothing China can do to me as long as I stay firmly in the West. If you use TikTok they can manipulate what you see.

Considering the US education system is already hell bent on turning out communists I don't really see how China could do anything worse.

I mean the trope of colleges turning people into leftist hippie communists is older than my parents.

But K-12 in the US tries to hammer so much “so misleading it might as well be false” pro-America propaganda during exactly the age that kids are generally rebelling against anything authority tells them that’s it’s not all that surprising that during a major economic downturn that’s only benefiting those with capital that people would start to have a distaste for the system that produced this mess.

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Post by rockinghigh »

ng12 wrote: post #204

Can someone explain to me what happened to Vine? I feel like it beat TikTok to the punch by ~8 years before it was bought and then unceremoniously killed by Twitter. Was that the first example of US innovation being suffocated by the big tech oligopoly?

Vine started in 2013 and uploads were shut down in 2016; the same year TikTok launched.

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Post by 908B64B197 »

ng12 wrote: post #204

Can someone explain to me what happened to Vine? I feel like it beat TikTok to the punch by ~8 years before it was bought and then unceremoniously killed by Twitter. Was that the first example of US innovation being suffocated by the big tech oligopoly?

I don't think Twitter could afford to lose money with Vines for very long.

The CCP can afford to lose money with TikTok for a long time. Straight from the propaganda budget really.

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Post by jcun4128 »

theshrike79 wrote: post #79

Yea, the Youtube algorithm is the "pick me girl" of algorithms. I watched one video by a creator I already follow about their solar panel installation and water-catcher garden irrigation. What do I get in my recommendations? Dozens and dozens of videos from completely random channels about solar panel installation and gardening. I very rarely find new creators on YouTube, who produce consistent high quality content.…

> farrier

There is something weirdly mesmerizing about that. watching them scrape away the stuff from the hoof like it's butter...

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Post by sluggosaurus »

ng12 wrote: post #204

Can someone explain to me what happened to Vine? I feel like it beat TikTok to the punch by ~8 years before it was bought and then unceremoniously killed by Twitter. Was that the first example of US innovation being suffocated by the big tech oligopoly?

Mismanagement by @Jack.

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Post by zepto »

Spivak wrote: post #207
zepto wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is literally nothing China can do to me as long as I stay firmly in the West. If you use TikTok they can manipulate what you see.

I mean if you want to foster anti-america content all you really need to do is leave TikTok alone. It’s my generation’s version of Tumblr only on a bigger scale. You don’t really need manipulation when the user-base skews young, activist, and unironically anti-capitalist. Which I think is awesome personally but I get how some people will see all of that as huge red flags.

> You don’t really need manipulation when the user-base skews young, activist, and unironically anti-capitalist.

You don’t think that is a result of manipulation?

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by zepto »

Spivak wrote: post #211
lugged wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering the US education system is already hell bent on turning out communists I don't really see how China could do anything worse.

I mean the trope of colleges turning people into leftist hippie communists is older than my parents. But K-12 in the US tries to hammer so much “so misleading it might as well be false” pro-America propaganda during exactly the age that kids are generally rebelling against anything authority tells them that’s it’s not all that surprising that during a major economic downturn that’s only benefiting those with capital…

> that’s only benefiting those with capital

The irony of this is telling. I have to assume you are unvaccinated, and unaware that you are being publicly critical of the government.

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Post by tempest_ »

theshrike79 wrote: post #79

Yea, the Youtube algorithm is the "pick me girl" of algorithms. I watched one video by a creator I already follow about their solar panel installation and water-catcher garden irrigation. What do I get in my recommendations? Dozens and dozens of videos from completely random channels about solar panel installation and gardening. I very rarely find new creators on YouTube, who produce consistent high quality content.…

It is pretty obvious why it is better though.

It is getting more input and it is getting faster input so it can course correct quicker and more aggressively.

The youtube algorithm wants to optimize for time on the site, and the creators try and have 10 minute videos it seems.

In that time you can consume 60 tiktok videos at 10s each and skipping the ones you dont want and watching the ones you do.

Since 10s is such a small investment they can throw random videos at you and it is pretty low cost.

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Post by [deleted] »

indymike wrote: post #210
refenestrator wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact, if you are not a US citizen, you have no 4th amendment rights against seizure of your data. No judge or legal process necessary beyond a blanket executive order.

What? The courts have ruled many many times that the Constitution DOES apply to non-citizens(aside foreign combatants in wartime).

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Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by starik36 »

908B64B197 wrote: post #213
ng12 wrote: post #204

Can someone explain to me what happened to Vine? I feel like it beat TikTok to the punch by ~8 years before it was bought and then unceremoniously killed by Twitter. Was that the first example of US innovation being suffocated by the big tech oligopoly?

I don't think Twitter could afford to lose money with Vines for very long. The CCP can afford to lose money with TikTok for a long time. Straight from the propaganda budget really.

I have yet to see a single CCP propaganda video on TikTok. What exactly are you seeing?
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