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TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by trident5000 »

csours wrote: post #182

TikTok feels so incredibly fake. I know that a lot of that same fake content is available on YouTube, but on YouTube, I can subscribe to creators that do real things or offer substantial and interesting critiques. TikTok and Facebook video feel like broadcast TV - highly over-dramatized and over-hyped. Again, I know the same is available on YT, but I can also use it my way.

This is why Im actually disappointed by the headline. Affirms people would rather watch a mostly degenerate freak show and blatant materialism than maybe learn something or view something reasonable. And its mostly kids ingesting this. Can you tweak your account to view normal content on tiktok...sure maybe? But thats not what its known for or why its popular. Its to feed you the most extreme content possible and keep your eyes there.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by [deleted] »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #11

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

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Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by malwarebytess »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #11

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

Nope, you're not going crazy. But the thing is every other social media company does the same thing. So railing against tiktok was ineffective because everyone already accepts this. And I was one of the people early on (even before the merger) talking about it.

Even the "china controls it" part isn't persuasive because, I mean, what isn't china influencing these days? And TBH I don't give a shit if it's Chinese or American powers collecting my information, I don't want either of them doing it. And consider that these American corporations influence other nations in the same way China may influence America and they accept it -- of course Americans would accept it too.

My word to people who hate TikTok's privacy invading tech and practices is to lobby to pass a sweeping privacy law or shut up, basically. But that would mean wrecking a huge part of the parasitic tech industry so it's not going to happen.

Money > ethics.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by [deleted] »

csours wrote: post #182

TikTok feels so incredibly fake. I know that a lot of that same fake content is available on YouTube, but on YouTube, I can subscribe to creators that do real things or offer substantial and interesting critiques. TikTok and Facebook video feel like broadcast TV - highly over-dramatized and over-hyped. Again, I know the same is available on YT, but I can also use it my way.

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Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by lugged »

zepto wrote: post #192
tomp wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Militarily, the US is allied with most EU powers (including France) Wouldn’t this be an argument for preferring TikTok over YouTube? There is literally nothing China can do to me as long as I stay firmly in the West. On the other hand, I could very well be sold out by Google to the US government, which could easily have me extradited from the EU.

> There is literally nothing China can do to me as long as I stay firmly in the West. If you use TikTok they can manipulate what you see.

Considering the US education system is already hell bent on turning out communists I don't really see how China could do anything worse.

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Post by Spivak »

zepto wrote: post #192
tomp wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Militarily, the US is allied with most EU powers (including France) Wouldn’t this be an argument for preferring TikTok over YouTube? There is literally nothing China can do to me as long as I stay firmly in the West. On the other hand, I could very well be sold out by Google to the US government, which could easily have me extradited from the EU.

> There is literally nothing China can do to me as long as I stay firmly in the West. If you use TikTok they can manipulate what you see.

I mean if you want to foster anti-america content all you really need to do is leave TikTok alone. It’s my generation’s version of Tumblr only on a bigger scale. You don’t really need manipulation when the user-base skews young, activist, and unironically anti-capitalist.

Which I think is awesome personally but I get how some people will see all of that as huge red flags.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by crocodiletears »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #11

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

Domestic companies like Facebook and Google are already doing all the censorship, manipulation, and tracking I'd expect from the Chinese. Why should I care at this point?

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by lawtalkinghuman »

wutbrodo wrote: post #130
Rd6n6 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mental health discussions and advice are traditionally given under strong privacy guarantees

You've mixed together two-way (discussion) and one-way (advice) mental health communication. Your point only applies to discussion, and the tiktok example only involves advice. Concretely, what privacy concern do you see in watching a video with mental health tips? Do you think this privacy concern similarly extends to reading a Wikipedia article on (eg) CBT techniques? Or am I misunderstanding, and "Mental health ti…

I'd trust Wikimedia's privacy policy a hell of a lot more than I'd trust TikTok's.

Also, the English Wikipedia article on cognitive behavioural therapy cites Cochrane reviews, psych textbooks and a whole volley of journal articles from prestigious journals like the Lancet and the Journal of the American Medical Association etc. describing clinical trial results, plus guidance from the UK's National Institute of Health and Clinical Excellence.

Presumably, the TikTok version makes up for this by having a better dance routine.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by indymike »

refenestrator wrote: post #138
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US government only accesses it if they have a reason to do so and subpoena the specific information needed As Snowden revelations have shown, this is not the case. > It wouldn't be hard for them to subtly start slipping in propaganda into the tiktok feeds of countries they intend to invade Last time I checked, the USA were the number one warmonger in the world, sometimes by lying about WMD and going against the…

Fun fact, if you are not a US citizen, you have no 4th amendment rights against seizure of your data. No judge or legal process necessary beyond a blanket executive order.

What? The courts have ruled many many times that the Constitution DOES apply to non-citizens(aside foreign combatants in wartime).
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