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American history has largely always been about race.
It's just a shift from older, less flexible values like family, church etc to the more open minded approach, "do as you like". Nothing wrong with people having tattoos everywhere, green or violet hair, non conformist clothing and views. Let them be, let them express and find themselves. I am the shave every day suit kinda guy and will remain so, but if someone chooses to be different or wants to complain about new wo…
Unfortunately this laissez fair approach is the exact opposite of modern wokeness. It’s their way or it’s attacks and cancellation. If you’re an oppressor class you have almost no way to be forgiven. The easiest way to show this is just ask some woke stars on their views of libertarianism, which is literally to let everyone be themselves.
Libertarianism fails really hard in situations where you have a lot more overall prosperity if you limit everybody. Libertarianism misses these opportunities because of its blindness to anything but individual freedoms. In economic terms it mostly refuses to deal with the tragedy of the commons. And it likes to pretend negative externalities don't exist, or that the most free markets would make negative externalities magically disappear.
Let's get concrete with a real life example.
Air pollution will very likely shorten my life by a couple of years (if the science is to be believed). A very moderate libertarian might be willing to discuss preventative regulations, but the vast majority of libertarians' response is "oh well, you can only sue after the damage has been done". Which puts the entire burden on the victim and after preventable damage has already been done. It's too late.
It's far cheaper and more effective for me to support a government that stops them from damaging my health and stops them from inteferring with my freedom to breath clean air. The complaint from libertarians is that I'm interfering with their freedoms using the threat of government force. Damn right I am! Because the only thing that has worked over the decades to clean up the air I breath is government regulations interferring with the freedoms of car manufactures, and the freedoms of consumers to buy and operate excessively polluting vehicles. Along with government interference in other polluting industries. Government inference 1, free markets 0. If I could find viable candidates who would intefere and regulate at a much faster pace, they would get my vote. Because it increases a freedom I deeply value.
Libertarianism would be a lot more interesting if the libertarians I talk to were actually interested in my freedoms and priorities (which are often collective freedoms to enjoy a shared resource) instead of only being interested in maximizing individual freedoms and their own priorities.
As far as asking "woke stars on their views of libertarianism" can you give examples and sources?
It's just a shift from older, less flexible values like family, church etc to the more open minded approach, "do as you like". Nothing wrong with people having tattoos everywhere, green or violet hair, non conformist clothing and views. Let them be, let them express and find themselves. I am the shave every day suit kinda guy and will remain so, but if someone chooses to be different or wants to complain about new wo…
For example, a white Dane is unfit to translate the work of a Black poet because a white person cannot understand the experiences of a black person—the difference between any white person and any black person in the 21st century are far greater than the 21st century Dane and the 15th century Shakespeare whom the Dane regularly translates without controversy.
Or similarly, a school board decides that an eminently qualified white man is unfit to volunteer because he can’t possibly empathize with the experiences of minorities.
Or the woke demande to dispense of standardized tests because these tests only judge us according to “white” strengths (literacy, reason, etc) which blacks or other minorities don’t possess. https://mobile.twitter.com/JamaalBowmanNY/status/13765200627...
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Not applicable. The 'wokeness' in US largely encompasses things like minorities not tolerating being denigrated, debased, harassed anymore. Not even talking about things like nudity in beaches, abortion and other bullsh*t in which US still stays back 150 years in the past in US.
No, it's more of a virtue signaling scheme and a "luxury belief" that brown and black people can't think for themselves, and white liberal upper middle class knows what's best for them. Such as, for example, abolishing the police in high crime lower income neighborhoods and other loony bin shit like that, which does absolutely nothing to help anyone they pretend to care for. These tend to be the same folks who would…
You dont even know what abolishing police means apparently. And yet you have strong opinions about such stuff.
They want to abolish AMERICAN police and bring about European style, civil-service policing. And yeah, for that, you need to abolish the medieval-sheriff-remnant abomination that is the police concept in US.
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Turning someone into a snitch, basically a spy is one thing, making everyone a snitch is another.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unofficial_collaborator Looks like about 1% of the population were snitches for the Stasi. You can decide for yourself if that's "a lot" or not.
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"Latinax, Womxn" -> Yeah, you totally invalidated the concept of wokeness by two phrases, good job. Despite i have explicitly mentioned that some extreme arguments dont invalidate concept of civilized behavior. > In actual civilized countries you'd get confused look or cuckoo sign You wouldnt. Dont make up stuff. > This insanity doesn't exist in Europe yet(thank God) Because Europe is not US. You cant rail about othe…
> Because Europe is not US. You cant rail about others, speak hatefully about minorities, immigrants, less harass people who wear masks or other bullsh*t and expect the state not to drag you to court to persecute your ass. All across Europe some parts of the press are happy to speak hatefully about minorities and immigrants. See: UK - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/the-sun-and-d... France - https://ww…
Such stuff should be prosecuted. The state of American society, the delirium that engulfed the segments who were allowed to keep living back in 150 years ago, actual fascists organizing openly with open statements about 'cleansing others' -> Such things show that if you let the extremists do whatever for 'freedom', you end up with a big pile of sh*t in your hands.
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No, actually they have no idea how Eastern European cultures are, less Russia. They would stick out like a sore thumb, they would be shunned, treated with distance for being foreigners. Being 'christian' wouldnt do literally sh*t. The only places where they would be getting treated normally would be ironically places with more woke Russians - ie Russian liberals, educated, woke people. Who would not shun others for b…
As an Eastern European I have friends and coworkers who are educated(PhDs even), but at the same time highly conservative, xenophobic and against wokeness in general. Some of them even lived and worked abroad, but of course learned nothing from that experience. Conservative foreigners would feel right at home with this crowd, but they might be surprised how liberal they are comparing to the locals.
The American conservatives would feel 'at home' with such people as you described, however such people would not be accepting them how they seem to think they would.
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Not applicable. The 'wokeness' in US largely encompasses things like minorities not tolerating being denigrated, debased, harassed anymore. Not even talking about things like nudity in beaches, abortion and other bullsh*t in which US still stays back 150 years in the past in US.
No, it's more of a virtue signaling scheme and a "luxury belief" that brown and black people can't think for themselves, and white liberal upper middle class knows what's best for them. Such as, for example, abolishing the police in high crime lower income neighborhoods and other loony bin shit like that, which does absolutely nothing to help anyone they pretend to care for. These tend to be the same folks who would…
I would take an extreme woke over the mildest conservative any day. The former doesnt want to take me to 200 years back in time.
What exactly is the goal of the 'woke' as it pertains to race or gender? If success to them looks like an equal number of white/black/asian/women it's an unreachable goal. According to the 2020 census: 57.8% of Americans are white, 16.3% are hispanic, 12.2% are black, and 5.9% are asian. It seems as plain as day that even if we could remove racism from the equation, it's more likely that whites will make up more shar…
> If success to them looks like an equal number of white/black/asian/women it's an unreachable goal It's not the goal. You've created a strawman and wasted your own time fighting it. > In my mind it's equality of opportunity. I don't care what color your skin is That doesn't magically erase that they grew in up in a racist society that does care what color their skin is. It's insulting to many people of color to hear…
With regards to the numbers, they are what they are, what exactly is it that you want with respect to that situation? Do you want to get rid of 45 white people so it’s even? Truly - I don’t understand what you’re trying to point out. That life isn’t fair because you aren’t in the “majority?” Welcome to the club - we all have things that we think like is unfair about: I wasn’t born super-rich, I have a 9yo son with an incurable chronic illness that could kill him that we have to manage 24/7. There are something things you can change and others you can’t. I don’t expect the world to change their behavior for my son’s well-being just because he’s not in the majority. I also don’t view it as it as a slight against people with his disease. I wouldn’t want someone to hire him because he’s a type 1 diabetic. I want someone to hire him because he’s the best available candidate.
It definitely seems as though specifying your preferred gender pronouns is no longer optional. This is required "in solidarity". Being an otherwise progressive person, I don't feel great about this and how quickly it happened.