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How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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How about we get mad about the fact that the top .01% wealthiest people are stripping the country for profits, using the military as a mercenary force to grab other countries oil reserves, and wrecking the climate and leaving us to die, rather than this vacuous culture wars bullshit?

Meanwhile the fed prints trillions and trillions of dollars and shoves it directly into the stock market while millions of people have no health insurance in the middle of a pandemic. The whole economy, long since deindustrialized, is only limping on because as the holder of the world reserve currency we can print unlimited amounts of money- for now. But of course we don’t use that power to build a modern infrastructure or provide free college to the next generation. Oh no. We use it to make sure that asset bubbles are pushed into infinity. Which will only make the inevitable crash all the more devastating.

We have real, actual problems but this wokeness crisis isn’t one of them.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Why on earth is this comment here? It has nothing to do with the article or the thread, and it's not the first comment I've seen like this. (The other recent one was a random rant about Tesla self-driving.) Is this comment the product of a bot, maybe? Or is there an HN client application with a bug, appending comments to the wrong place? Just human error?

"This is the next batch of folks who will be doing your IPO paperwork" You have to read.

If that's meant to be a justification of relevancy, it's quite a stretch.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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> When invited speeches from people such as Christine Lagarde, then head of the International Monetary Fund, were cancelled after student activists accused her of complicity in “imperialist and patriarchal systems”, the response was a collective shrug. This is a straw man. People have been protesting the IMF nonstop since the 90s and I guarantee patriarchy is not the main thing they complain about. Arguably the entir…

The Economist, as a matter of principle, does not specify authors. (As a matter of principle, I ignore The Economist in turn.)

I didn’t know that. It sort of has the effect of sounding like the voice of amorphous global capital is speaking directly to you and also that global capital writes at about the level of a high school senior.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Our political and cultural institutions are dominated by people who attended those elite schools. This is the next batch of folks who will be doing your IPO paperwork: https://freebeacon.com/campus/northwestern-law-administrator... Now it’s making the jump to K-12. My second grader is apparently learning how to develop an “identity” around her “skin tone” (according to an email from her teacher). This has had the pre…

>I went to a very white, quite red Virginia public school 30 years ago and nobody ever told me about brown skin being bad. Then you got very very lucky. It has been an issue for a very long time. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/apr/09/coloris... it was a problem long before the modern era. https://www.naacpldf.org/ldf-celebrates-60th-anniversary-bro... Preparing kids for the real world seems like a good…

So your response to a person with brown skin say that their experience doesn't matter? Why doesn't it matter because you read that they where lucky or that you experienced something different?

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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IPO's will go extinct with crypto. People are not going to pay a bunch of bloated banker fees when they can just mint equity share coins (ICO) and get an accountant to do the paper work. Road show? The internet does it better and listings/information will be transparent and easily accessible. Not here to promote crypto just saying the IPO process seems like its days are numbered. edit: HN fights any mention of crypto…

Just like cassettes and VCR's killed the media industry.

I dont really get your analogy; thats not the argument being made here. An initial offering industry/mechanism isnt going anywhere, it will just likely gradually shift from IPO to ICO. The reason bankers make absurd fees from IPO's isnt from their due diligence, its from market access. Thats coming to an end.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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"Wokeness" is not jumping. The idea that everyone, even traditionally protected classes, should be held responsible for their actions is spreading.

Yeah. I always think back to an offhand quip by Douglas Adams in the Dirk Gently book when I see people complaining about this.

"... nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change,"

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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It's just a shift from older, less flexible values like family, church etc to the more open minded approach, "do as you like". Nothing wrong with people having tattoos everywhere, green or violet hair, non conformist clothing and views. Let them be, let them express and find themselves. I am the shave every day suit kinda guy and will remain so, but if someone chooses to be different or wants to complain about new wo…

>Nothing wrong with people having tattoos everywhere, green

>or violet hair, non conformist clothing and views. Let them

>be, let them express and find themselves

Wonder if you would be as supportive of the Hitler mustache

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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"Wokeness" is not jumping. The idea that everyone, even traditionally protected classes, should be held responsible for their actions is spreading.

"their actions?"

I am not responsible for what my ancestors did, especially if it involved people who are only nominally my ancestors. My family emigrated here in the 1970s and, yet, I'm supposedly responsible for what white southerners did to African slaves a few centuries ago.

I'm sure this is obvious and I'm actually misinterpeting something. Such comments always provoke that response in the Woke. But, in practice, this is what boxing people into identities based on skin color, sexual orientation, and gender does.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Do you have a few concrete examples of large groups strongly advocating for equality of outcomes? I’ve had discussions about “equality” with folks aligned across the political spectrum, and most everyone agrees they want equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. I’m confused about who or what group is speaking about people desiring equality of outcome. And discriminating against other people because of their…

Ibram X. Kendi: Any disparity in group outcomes is proof of a deeply flawed and malicious system. The darling of American academia and corporate. You can either have equality of opportunity and accept that the outcomes will be disparate, or have equality of (group) outcome. You can't have both. Your friends have not thought through the consequences of the current dominant ideology. > 'When I See Racial Disparities, I…

Ibram X. Kendi is one person. You can find individuals who espouse any view you want. The question is are there any large groups actually pushing for this. Though the parent didn't, I would s/large/mainstream/ because the internet makes it easy to find large groups of people talking about any old topic.
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