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How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Post by smolder »

trident5000 wrote: post #610
rayiner wrote: post #549

Our political and cultural institutions are dominated by people who attended those elite schools. This is the next batch of folks who will be doing your IPO paperwork: https://freebeacon.com/campus/northwestern-law-administrator... Now it’s making the jump to K-12. My second grader is apparently learning how to develop an “identity” around her “skin tone” (according to an email from her teacher). This has had the pre…

IPO's will go extinct with crypto. People are not going to pay a bunch of bloated banker fees when they can just mint equity share coins (ICO) and get an accountant to do the paper work. Road show? The internet does it better and listings/information will be transparent and easily accessible. Not here to promote crypto just saying the IPO process seems like its days are numbered. edit: HN fights any mention of crypto…

Why on earth is this comment here? It has nothing to do with the article or the thread, and it's not the first comment I've seen like this. (The other recent one was a random rant about Tesla self-driving.) Is this comment the product of a bot, maybe? Or is there an HN client application with a bug, appending comments to the wrong place? Just human error?

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Post by TheCondor »

p0d wrote: post #340

As a christian I believe in mercy and grace. And yes, many of us 'believers' have not practised what we preached. Many of us do try however not to be hypocrites. Here's my question. Where is mercy and grace in the midst of wokeness? I want you to believe my christian message but I will not force you to do so. I don't want to introduce laws to force you to believe what I believe. I don't want you to lose your job beca…

What are some concrete examples of the ruthlessness you mention?

More than a few people that identify as Christian are more than willing to ban abortion, as an example. They could care less about what anyone “believes” but will gladly force others to live as they want. How is that any less ruthless than someone losing their job because they went on a racist tirade and let it end up on Instagram?

Lgtbq+ have a long history of not even being allowed to acknowledge their nature for fear of violence, actual violence. Losing a job due to anti-lgtbq+ views that are expressed and recorded, and nobody forces anybody to express their opinions, just doesn’t seem ruthless in comparison.

I get it that it sends a chilling to those that share those particular ideals but it’s not like they are trying to have civil discourse either.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Post by BEEdwards »

rayiner wrote: post #549

Our political and cultural institutions are dominated by people who attended those elite schools. This is the next batch of folks who will be doing your IPO paperwork: https://freebeacon.com/campus/northwestern-law-administrator... Now it’s making the jump to K-12. My second grader is apparently learning how to develop an “identity” around her “skin tone” (according to an email from her teacher). This has had the pre…

>I went to a very white, quite red Virginia public school 30 years ago and nobody ever told me about brown skin being bad.

Then you got very very lucky. It has been an issue for a very long time.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/apr/09/coloris...

it was a problem long before the modern era.

https://www.naacpldf.org/ldf-celebrates-60th-anniversary-bro...

Preparing kids for the real world seems like a good education strategy to me...

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Post by hihihihi1234 »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #137
chmod775 wrote: post #6

Fundamentally languages have been evolving in a reductive manner, which is why adding syllables to terms like in "Latino/Latina -> Latin-x -> Latinx+" won't last. People will quickly eschew these terms for things that are easier to pronounce. There's no malice in this - just a natural evolution of language towards efficiency. As such its an endless cycle: new stuff is introduced to everyday language then reduced to s…

Gendered nouns are kind of silly and antiquated when you think about it though, and many languages have a neuter gender too (e.g. German). The "X" suffix is an attempt by younger Spanish speakers to introduce a neuter gender to their native language. English doesn't have gendered nouns, but we do have gendered pronouns, which not all languages have. Chinese doesn't have gendered pronouns, which is why you'll often he…

> The "X" suffix is an attempt by younger Spanish speakers to introduce a neuter gender to their native language.

Not true - Latinx was invented by English speakers and the vast majority of "Latinx" people don't use or like the term.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Post by trident5000 »

smolder wrote: post #631
trident5000 wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IPO's will go extinct with crypto. People are not going to pay a bunch of bloated banker fees when they can just mint equity share coins (ICO) and get an accountant to do the paper work. Road show? The internet does it better and listings/information will be transparent and easily accessible. Not here to promote crypto just saying the IPO process seems like its days are numbered. edit: HN fights any mention of crypto…

Why on earth is this comment here? It has nothing to do with the article or the thread, and it's not the first comment I've seen like this. (The other recent one was a random rant about Tesla self-driving.) Is this comment the product of a bot, maybe? Or is there an HN client application with a bug, appending comments to the wrong place? Just human error?

"This is the next batch of folks who will be doing your IPO paperwork"

You have to read.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Post by missblit »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #254
missblit wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well feminization is the completely wrong word for one thing, since being feminine is totally A-OK and not anything negative. Ain't nothin' wrong with flowers and dresses and whatnot even if people on this website might not like it!

Being feminine is not "totally a-ok" for men. Please talk to some men and ask if they enjoy being called feminine. I guarantee you most if not all (Straight) men would hate someone saying they're feminine. If you don't believe me, flip it around and think about how a woman would feel if someone told them they act like a man. Most would not take kindly to it.

It's unfortunate the top level comment was flagged so I can't check exactly what it said, wasn't it about feminization of _society_, not men?

My point was just that being feminine isn't inherently a bad thing, and also not the right word to describe society being overly sensitive. Not that men should be expected to be feminine or that that would be a good thing.

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Post by cjfd »

shadowgovt wrote: post #577
rayiner wrote: post #549

Our political and cultural institutions are dominated by people who attended those elite schools. This is the next batch of folks who will be doing your IPO paperwork: https://freebeacon.com/campus/northwestern-law-administrator... Now it’s making the jump to K-12. My second grader is apparently learning how to develop an “identity” around her “skin tone” (according to an email from her teacher). This has had the pre…

What are the objections to this sort of teaching?

For instance that these teachings are racist and racism is a despicable ideology that deserves no serious consideration or even consideration in any form or shape.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Post by rafaelsoto »

ctrlp wrote: post #491
p0d wrote: post #340

As a christian I believe in mercy and grace. And yes, many of us 'believers' have not practised what we preached. Many of us do try however not to be hypocrites. Here's my question. Where is mercy and grace in the midst of wokeness? I want you to believe my christian message but I will not force you to do so. I don't want to introduce laws to force you to believe what I believe. I don't want you to lose your job beca…

Identity politics is a Marxist revolutionary movement. As Lenin pointed out, in the Revolution, morality is subsumed in politics and Revolutionary violence is not actual violence, or rather, it is not immoral. The is no mercy to be shown to anyone who obstructs the Revolution. Phase I of the Revolution is to destroy the values of the "oppressive" preexisting order. Phase II is the realization of the promised Utopia,…

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Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Post by motohagiography »

syops wrote: post #626
motohagiography wrote: post #612

It is by design. The viral idea behind intersectionality is that people are easier to manage both as interchangeable representatives of arbitrary group identities, and the consequent alienation and anxiety politically neutralizes them as potential opponents to their managers agenda. The tactic itself practically ancient, and the theory that scales it is just over a century old. It literally exploits social tolerance…

I don’t understand your overall point. Bringing up anti-vax people the way you did suggests to me that perhaps you have become lost. Being an anti-vax person is objectively foolish and dangerous. We have decades of incontrovertible evidence that vaccines are good. Those who don’t vaccinate are stupid or being duped and led as if they are zombies (to use your parlance). If this group of people serves as a great exampl…

I picked the hard one to challenge reflection on because it was useful. An equivalent blood libel zombie variation is the belief that a global elite is kidnapping children for abuse rings (pizzagate, etc.), but I didn't use that one because it was too close as a proxy for the anti-semitic original. The point is this is an established pattern, where unless you reflect on how you know what you think you know, and why you believe something, you're going to be the subject of a belief, and not a holder of it with agency.

Just to add, when you hear a lie, you shift into a defensive mode where you do not act while you wait for the dissonance to resolve. A big part of this method is to produce lies that will in effect mentally paralyze those who percieve them, and by merely doing nothing as a result, they will not act or coordinate to resist the rest of the liars actions. A minority of people needs to understand this.

People have ideas less so than it is ideas that have people, and intersectionality as an idea has collected a lot of people.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Post by jhgb »

hkt wrote: post #255
hn-is-life wrote: post #239

Labelling people based on sexuality, gender identity, race, religion is just… arbitrary. Why not label people based on their IQ? If I knew people’s IQ I would simply ignore everyone below mine and only talk to my peers. “Hello, I’m John. I’m IQ140” “Hi John, I’m Mohammed, I’m IQ145” Instatnt friendship. “Hello John, I’m Peter, IQ90.” “bye Peter” I think sorting and discriminating on IQ is the only way to build some f…

Why wouldn't Mohammed adopt the same approach and refuse to speak to you? Also, IQ is fundamentally flawed. Perhaps your innate abilities (and acquired prejudiced) aren't a substitute for following contemporary research on intelligence? https://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20121218/iq-test-really-mea...

> Also, IQ is fundamentally flawed.

That's like saying that glucose levels are fundamentally flawed. What does that even mean? Flawed for what? Carpentry?

> Perhaps your innate abilities (and acquired prejudiced) aren't a substitute for following contemporary research on intelligence? https://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20121218/iq-test-really-mea...

Oh please, that reads like someone's blog post. Contemporary research on intelligence has repeatedly disproven claims of multiple intelligences. People have been trying to claim their existence many times but any form of a multiple intelligence model devised so far provided no improvement over a g-factor/single intelligence model. In case you came up with a multiple intelligence model significantly better than anything we've had so far, congratulations, you might get published.

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