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How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Post by gurumeditations »

This thread is filled with an unbelievable amount of vile ignorance and hatred against Trans and Gay people. This is why straight people and non-trans people need to shut up when it comes to those respective topics, because you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about.

I wish I could see the faces of the commenters saying this evil hate and ignorance. I bet it’s many immigrants from regressive cultures like in India (considering it’s HN) and basically anywhere but the first world where Gay and Trans people are trampled on and hated and shunned compared to the US. Watch this get banned though because straight liberals only care about “racism”. Straight liberals don’t give a fuck about Gay and Trans people.

The amount of hatred and ignorance in this thread is flat out shocking. The fact that this is all allowed to stay up is disgusting and HN should be ashamed of itself. If this was about racial identities, this thread would become a national news story about how HN allows hordes of racist computer nerds.

But homophobia and transphobia is OK to straights. Fucking disgusting.

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Post by kongin »

spaniard89277 wrote: post #396
jurassic wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally, in the startup where I worked there was one summer in 2017 when 3 white women (a significant percent of the women in the office at the time) all suddenly came out as non-binary and asked to be called they/them. If that's not some kind of freaky bandwagon thing going on then I don't know what is. It was like a competition to see who could get the most oppression points or something. Now I'm in a different…

In Spain this thing is not quite of the same dimension (even though there's a lot of propaganda being pumped by leftist parties) but I already encountered some cases. Also, I'm hearing more and more what It would be conservative opinions from the gay people I have more trust with. Which is quite unexpected for me.

>Also, I'm hearing more and more what It would be conservative opinions from the gay people I have more trust with. Which is quite unexpected for me.

You can only say you have a real gay friend when they show you their Nazi Furry dungeon and start talking about degenerates.

The number of homofascists in the closet is hilariously large.

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Post by htns »

p0d wrote: post #340

As a christian I believe in mercy and grace. And yes, many of us 'believers' have not practised what we preached. Many of us do try however not to be hypocrites. Here's my question. Where is mercy and grace in the midst of wokeness? I want you to believe my christian message but I will not force you to do so. I don't want to introduce laws to force you to believe what I believe. I don't want you to lose your job beca…

Probably one of the reasons Western Europe diverges from the US, despite the academic scene being similar and even more entrenched, is that the conservative bogeyman in Europe was smaller.

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Post by yawaworht1978 »

FinanceAnon wrote: post #379
yawaworht1978 wrote: post #327

It's just a shift from older, less flexible values like family, church etc to the more open minded approach, "do as you like". Nothing wrong with people having tattoos everywhere, green or violet hair, non conformist clothing and views. Let them be, let them express and find themselves. I am the shave every day suit kinda guy and will remain so, but if someone chooses to be different or wants to complain about new wo…

Part of me doubts that it's a permanent shift. There was a hippie movement in the 60s and 70s in the US, but conservatives are still going strong 50 years later.

I think it's permanent, it will just change shape and be less radical. The hippies are still a bit hippies deep down inside, and their main objective has been achieved. People know they can be hippies and it will be fine. I am more unsure as to why subcultures have been ostracized in the first place if they do no harm to others. When I lived in a huge city for the first time, i realized how unimportant all that was, I got to speak to all kinds of people, name any -ism, I have spoken to them, and they have all been nice folks.

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Post by hirako2000 »

clusterfish wrote: post #421
sandworm101 wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> don't want you to lose your job because you don't agree with me. But lots of people want that power. It is within living memory that people could be fired or denied employment based on thier religion. Many today still want thier religion beliefs to be enforced against believers and non-believers alike (abortion, education, marriage, adoption, right to die etc). Not every person of faith is so liberal about the aff…

> But lots of people want that power. And most of us agree that it's bad. But most of us somehow don't agree that forcing wokeness on others is bad. Because the woke ones can't possibly imagine being wrong. Theirs is the right way, everyone else are bigots and racists. It's an aggressive religion, a cult even.

True that. I was told to shut it at work, and not just in a private 1 on 1, and nobody moved. corportate American and their employees cowardice in action Behind curtains of course. No reporter to come ask. The signs of tyrany are clear.

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Post by Jommi »

timonoko wrote: post #112

More weird is that Merican Wokeness is replacing *ness in other countries. Finnish has only one personal pronoun for all sexes, but Woke Finns add American Pronouns to their twitter pages.

How does adding pronouns really affect your life at all? Seems quite a small thing to get annoyed about, especially if it ends up helping someone else.

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Post by bigbillheck »

drno123 wrote: post #317
pseudalopex wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cultures through history had genders we would call transgender.[1] Your source's references include "How The Jews Of Weimar Germany Ensured The Rise Of National Socialism" and "Plandemic Documentary: The Hidden Agenda Behind Covid-19". [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history

Cultures through history also sacrificed children and had slaves.

The United States has legal slavery today (prison labor), and it's hard to see the push to keep schools open during the pandemic as anything other than sacrificing children on the altar of the market.

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Post by UK-Al05 »

npteljes wrote: post #359
p0d wrote: post #340

As a christian I believe in mercy and grace. And yes, many of us 'believers' have not practised what we preached. Many of us do try however not to be hypocrites. Here's my question. Where is mercy and grace in the midst of wokeness? I want you to believe my christian message but I will not force you to do so. I don't want to introduce laws to force you to believe what I believe. I don't want you to lose your job beca…

Wokeness is not unique in having people like that. As with any group of significance, there's some included that actively weaponize it. And also many people are new to it. I experienced this first-hand when I was introduces to something that was new and exciting to me, that suddenly everything I did was about that thing, and that I was doing everything to further my experience with it. I feel like some people do that…

I mean critical theories critique liberalism. So it's not just a few people. The movements intellectual basis has a critique of liberalism at its core.

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Post by kwertyoowiyop »

Epa095 wrote: post #149

This is one of those articles which kind of pretends to be neutral, but are still so oppinionated that I don't know if I ended up smarter or dumber after reading it :-/

Where exactly did it pretend to be neutral? This IS The Economist, after all.
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