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How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Post by lwhi »

andy_ppp wrote: post #300
lwhi wrote: post #284

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It's dangerous to dismiss transgenderism to be the result of psychological mishaps caused by environmental mishaps. You're effectively presenting a transgender person as a second class person, or a mistake. You're also aligning the ability to grow a beard with being a 1st class citizen.

Nope, what you’re doing is totally misrepresenting what I’ve said. I’m saying if there are more effeminate men you’ll have on average more people who are transgender. Myself I can barely grow a beard and have man boobs that I’m trying to get rid of and hardly any body hair (yet my Dad has a full beard and hairy chest, I’m asking why is there this big difference in just one generation) but hopefully I still count as a…

> I’m saying if there are more effeminate men you’ll have on average more people who are transgender.

How is this true?

How will these men mean there are more transgender people in the world?

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Post by franczesko »

lwhi wrote: post #275
franczesko wrote: post #257

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The question would be, how many people who declare up front that they're transgender are actually medically diagnosed with such condition and how many just jumped on the bandwagon of what is fancy on the internet right now? Disclaimer - personally, I'm sceptical about the concept and scientific grounds behind transgenderism and I expect my comment to be downvoted.

Preempting downvotes, because you know your comment is not acceptable to the majority, feels like a very cynical device designed to limit that behaviour.

I'd be cautious about referring to what is acceptable to the "majority" and claiming that the concept receives a broad support, as in reality it seems that it's quite the opposite.

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Post by foldr »

trainsplanes wrote: post #301
foldr wrote: post #263

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Most Latinos in the US are of Mexican origin. Mexico is not in South America.

Then the term there is Latin Americans

There's nothing really wrong with "Latin Americans" (as far as I can see – I'm not Latino though) but it's just not a very concise or widely used term.

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Post by dragonwriter »

torben-friis wrote: post #256
IkmoIkmo wrote: post #201

I don't really see the big issue with Latinx... it seems to me an easy and correct way to refer to latinos and latinas, without saying both, or one or the other, or bringing in gender. Just like we don't have Asianas and Asianos, and we can simply say Asians. It makes less sense to add an s to Latin because Latins refers to something completely different already. Language is constantly changing. As long as references…

>I don't really see the big issue with Latinx... it seems to me an easy and correct way to refer to latinos and latinas, without saying both, or one or the other, or bringing in gender. Masculine plural is used as gender neutral for Spanish. Latinos already refers to both genders. Even fringe social groups that disagree with using the masculine for neutral terms (which are already a huge minority, since grammatical g…

> The x is an American invention that is unknown in the culture it tries to adapt

It’s (both “Latinx” and the “-x” to reject the gender binary in Spanish more generally), AFAIK, a Hispanic LGBTQ culture invention, which while originating in the USA, is also used elsewhere (the “-x” ending as an emphatic rejection of the gender binary, not the specific term “Latinx”.) Though its a small minority that use it even in that community.

Its adoption as a generic term for the Hispanic community by large institutions, though, is completely out of line with the community preference.

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Post by chki »

narrator wrote: post #299
pseudalopex wrote: post #289

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Cultures through history had genders we would call transgender.[1] Your source's references include "How The Jews Of Weimar Germany Ensured The Rise Of National Socialism" and "Plandemic Documentary: The Hidden Agenda Behind Covid-19". [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history

The "Myth of the 20th Century" is a podcast that is banned on all podcast services because they will interview people on extremely controversial topics. If you play the game of "this person believes X and a crazy person also believes X, therefore they're crazy," then you shouldn't listen to this podcast and just go about your life as you normally would. This is only if you want to deeply question your reality, and po…

But you at least have to admit that it seriously undercuts the credibility of that site if they engage in every conspiracy theory out there. It's very hard not to simply dismiss somebody else's arguments if they believe that the Holocaust and Covid are just made up. Human attention is limited.

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Post by dmurray »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #297

More importantly, when did American culture war nonsense infect The Economist? Do they really have a regular 'illiberal left' column these days?

> Do they really have a regular 'illiberal left' column these days?

No, the house style has been to have a short subtitle like that on every article for a long time. Sometimes the subtitle is just the name of the country or region being covered, just as often it's a one-off. Examples from this issue include "China's bad debts", "prostitution in Indonesia", "Venezuela talks", none of which are monthly columns.

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Post by drno123 »

pseudalopex wrote: post #289
narrator wrote: post #268

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If you want to go deep down the rabbit hole here, break your brain, probably ruin your career and seriously damage your ability to interact with woke culture ever again, you can listen to an interview with the author of the book, "The Transgender Industrial Complex" in which the author alleges with copious documentation that the transgender movement is complete astroturf. He did deep research to discover where the tr…

Cultures through history had genders we would call transgender.[1] Your source's references include "How The Jews Of Weimar Germany Ensured The Rise Of National Socialism" and "Plandemic Documentary: The Hidden Agenda Behind Covid-19". [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history

Cultures through history also sacrificed children and had slaves.

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Post by Msw242 »

concordDance wrote: post #205
timonoko wrote: post #112

More weird is that Merican Wokeness is replacing *ness in other countries. Finnish has only one personal pronoun for all sexes, but Woke Finns add American Pronouns to their twitter pages.

The way American values have spread all around the world and started supplanting the native values is upsetting. Everything from commercialism and employment to attitudes towards nakedness and violence.

America is number 1, baybeeee

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Post by pseudalopex »

drno123 wrote: post #317
pseudalopex wrote: post #289

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Cultures through history had genders we would call transgender.[1] Your source's references include "How The Jews Of Weimar Germany Ensured The Rise Of National Socialism" and "Plandemic Documentary: The Hidden Agenda Behind Covid-19". [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history

Cultures through history also sacrificed children and had slaves.

That would be relevant if someone claimed modern billionaires invented child sacrifice and slavery.

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Post by question000 »

narrator wrote: post #302
question000 wrote: post #293

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I mean I dated a transgender person, were they being paid or something? explain to me what was going on there.

They were being influenced. Influence is real. Advertising is not a trillion dollar business because it doesn't work.

I don't think so man, I think you're being influenced. Paying people to be gay just doesn't make sense. I'm not going seriously argue this with you, you need help.
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