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Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by GiorgioG »

freeopinion wrote: post #174
GiorgioG wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean, if all that mattered were specs, we would all be running desktops at full desktop-class TDP. As someone doing just that (I do 99% of my work on my desktop machine), to this day I don't understand folks doing heavy development work on a laptop. If you need portability, remote into a desktop class machine. Sure there are times when you just can't (airplane, or camping in the middle of nowhere, etc) but those…

"Remote into a desktop"? That sounds like a horrible experience to me. I've never understood why anybody would remote control a pc for anything. If you need to code on the road, just code directly on whatever device you were going to use to remote control from. How does remote controlling some other computer make this computer's experience better? You still are stuck with this keyboard, this trackpad, this display, e…

Based on your comments, you've never had the opportunity/need to do so. I have and I can attest that I would much rather remote into a powerful desktop PC to write code than use a mobile processor.

Maybe the software you build and its dev tooling allows you t to be effective with a mobile processor, but for my needs it's not good enough.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by flatiron »

I want one really bad. I’m on a 2013 MacBook Air running Arch. To be honest I never fight with it. It runs everything. 4GB might seem low but for casual non development work (developer by day anything but development by night) it works great. Obviously not for gaming but it’s a hard sell to upgrade!

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by gnramires »

shp0ngle wrote: post #50
gnramires wrote: post #30

If anyone's looking for an inexpensive DIY Laptop, Olimex sells one fully OSHW (!): https://www.olimex.com/Products/DIY-Laptop/

looking at the specs, that’s very underpowered for any long term use.

It depends on your standards -- it's comparable to a Raspberry Pi 3B+/Pi 400.

Note that even the Pi is not OSHW. With (considerable) of effort you could order the PCBs and the components and make one yourself. You'd need to reverse engineer the rasp. It's difficult to convey how amazing that is.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by pbronez »

evilos wrote: post #131
StevePerkins wrote: post #117

I'm all for more choice and competition in this industry, and more pressure on manufacturers to reign in consumer-hostile practices. However, I'm not sure that I get this. At the end of the day, we're talking about an MBP-lookalike that runs Windows and has non-soldered RAM. And kinda-sorta gives you an option to run Linux without paying the Windows tax, but only if you're willing to assemble from a kit. That's... no…

Uh, you missed the main feature of the device. Basically everything in the laptop is user replaceable. Even the motherboard can be swapped and presumably replaced with a newer model. The ports can be swapped too, so no more wishing you had more USB ports or ethernet ports or whatever. You could even design your own expansion card. Framework can release new keyboards, screens, etc and the user can just install them as…

If the motherboard is replaceable, why not order one now, then upgrade to an AMD motherboard + CPU when they’re available?

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by tylerscott »

spacebear wrote: post #168
tylerscott wrote: post #43

I am currently using the DIY version running Ubuntu. I absolutely love this laptop. It had been awhile since I built a computer (let alone a laptop). The DIY kit instructions and the construction of the machine itself are very well thought out. I am very excited for a future where we can measure the lifespan of our personal electronics in decades rather than months. Congrats to the Framework team!

Likewise. I'm running Pop!_OS on mine. When I pre-ordered, I figured there was a 50/50 chance the thing would even ship. But it shipped exactly when they said it would, and it's fantastic. I'm very impressed with Framework so far.

I also was skeptical though I had a feeling after chatting with some of the team that they would deliver. I didn't expect the level of polish in terms of customer experience--e.g., packaging, instructions, etc. Like you, I am also very impressed with Framework. It's actually amazing given how early in the company life they are.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by tylerscott »

jdhawk wrote: post #155
tylerscott wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do and I also own a number of MacBooks. The trackpad is solid but not quite to the level of an Apple product, at least when I'm running Ubuntu. I imagine as drivers improve over time it will only get better. I personally dig the display but I am not doing anything graphics intensive so YMMV. The aspect ratio is great for editing text files, though!

Try the new elementaryOS release - it has better gesture support.

Will do! A perfect use case for the spare expansion 250gb card I have. Thanks for the heads up.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by tylerscott »

spacebear wrote: post #156
jonnycomputer wrote: post #39

Anyone have one? I'm used to Apple displays and Apple track pads. How do Framework laptops compare? How is the keyboard?

I just switched to a Framework from a 2018 MacBook Pro. My take: the display is comparable, the keyboard is much better, and the trackpad is fine, but not as good as Apple's.

I also have a 2018 MBP and I agree the Framework keyboard is a HUGE improvement over the 2018 MBP keyboard.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by kelnos »

Anyone have an opinion on the feel of the keyboard and touchpad, as well as the quality (color gamut, brightness, etc.) of the screen?

I'm strongly considering getting one of these, but it's hard to take the leap to a newcomer manufacturer where I can't try before I buy.

Also, any idea why the i7-1185G7 is a full $400 more than the 1165G7? Comparison[0] shows no major differences I can see, just some slight clock bumps, and the fact that it's vPro capable (I guess maybe that's it?).

[0] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/compare.htm...

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

trvv wrote: post #146
codethief wrote: post #91

This is the first time I'm hearing about the Framework laptop and… damn, it looks enticing. Unfortunately, 13" is definitely too small for me (in terms of ergonomics). Are you planning on releasing models with a larger (and matte) screen in the future? Also, could the keyboard "module" in theory be fully customized by the community (so as to support ergonomic layouts similar to ErgoDox, include a trackpoint etc.)? Fi…

The built in USB-C ports are actually fully compatible with Thunderbolt they're just waiting for certification before they can say that. https://community.frame.work/t/thunderbolt-yes-or-no-or-not-...

This is correct; The customization flow advertises the modules as USB4, which is a superset of Thunderbolt 3's capabilities (which itself was a superset of USB 3).

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by troyvit »

StevePerkins wrote: post #117

I'm all for more choice and competition in this industry, and more pressure on manufacturers to reign in consumer-hostile practices. However, I'm not sure that I get this. At the end of the day, we're talking about an MBP-lookalike that runs Windows and has non-soldered RAM. And kinda-sorta gives you an option to run Linux without paying the Windows tax, but only if you're willing to assemble from a kit. That's... no…

I see a lot of comments in the thread from people who already own the laptop. Maybe even as many as those who are waiting for a certain feature.
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