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Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by ksec »

commoner wrote: post #84
filereaper wrote: post #37

I see the founder @nrp replying to a few comments here. @nrp, can you comment on upcoming models? Would love to have a 15" or 17" model with the same swappable ports but with a beefier processor and much larger memory capacities. The larger frames might allow for more ports, but I'm not sure if you're limited by the number of PCIe lanes on these processors. I think a Ryzen offering would also be welcomed. Lastly than…

If the Framework Laptop had a keyboard option with a TrackPoint-style pointing stick (and 3 physical mouse buttons between the keys and the touchpad), it would be a very strong contender against ThinkPads. Lenovo has handicapped recent ThinkPad models with soldered memory, and the TrackPoint is their only remaining unique feature. Framework community discussion: https://community.frame.work/t/any-chance-of-trackpoint

>If the Framework Laptop had a keyboard option with a TrackPoint-style pointing stick

Patents?

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by kakadu »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #79
lostapathy wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I desperately want this to succeed as well. Enough that I've got a preorder that's supposed to ship this week. I'm willing to take the gamble. Sometimes you have to help fund the change you want to see in the world.

Sometimes 'funding the change you want to see' is merely to appease your own conscience; some real problems are systemic or caused by other actors. Turning a 1 L/min sink off for the 20 seconds of washing your hands doesn't matter when the farmer down the road is growing row crops in a desert with center-pivot irrigation system. But other times, like this? It's absolutely a valid approach. If a high-profile open lapt…

> Sometimes 'funding the change you want to see' is merely to appease your own conscience; some real problems are systemic or caused by other actors.

Indeed, there is no point in having individuals resisting the system, rather changing the system itself would bring forth the systemic change we want.

Probably better to have legislations such as GDPR in place rather than people having to install a bunch of privacy extensions in their browsers.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by StevePerkins »

evilos wrote: post #131
StevePerkins wrote: post #117

I'm all for more choice and competition in this industry, and more pressure on manufacturers to reign in consumer-hostile practices. However, I'm not sure that I get this. At the end of the day, we're talking about an MBP-lookalike that runs Windows and has non-soldered RAM. And kinda-sorta gives you an option to run Linux without paying the Windows tax, but only if you're willing to assemble from a kit. That's... no…

Uh, you missed the main feature of the device. Basically everything in the laptop is user replaceable. Even the motherboard can be swapped and presumably replaced with a newer model. The ports can be swapped too, so no more wishing you had more USB ports or ethernet ports or whatever. You could even design your own expansion card. Framework can release new keyboards, screens, etc and the user can just install them as…

> When they release an AMD motherboard I'm definitely going to order one.

That's... exactly what I'm talking about, though.

"Once they offer a bajillion options, we're all in!"

Yeah, but unless the base model sells like hotcakes, they'll never have the capital to offer a bajillion options. lol

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by jdhawk »

tylerscott wrote: post #45
jonnycomputer wrote: post #39

Anyone have one? I'm used to Apple displays and Apple track pads. How do Framework laptops compare? How is the keyboard?

I do and I also own a number of MacBooks. The trackpad is solid but not quite to the level of an Apple product, at least when I'm running Ubuntu. I imagine as drivers improve over time it will only get better. I personally dig the display but I am not doing anything graphics intensive so YMMV. The aspect ratio is great for editing text files, though!

Try the new elementaryOS release - it has better gesture support.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by spacebear »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #39

Anyone have one? I'm used to Apple displays and Apple track pads. How do Framework laptops compare? How is the keyboard?

I just switched to a Framework from a 2018 MacBook Pro. My take: the display is comparable, the keyboard is much better, and the trackpad is fine, but not as good as Apple's.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by brundolf »

GiorgioG wrote: post #109
outworlder wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't see this succeeding when the laptop I have to assemble myself costs more than a prebuilt laptop with much better specs. I mean, if all that mattered were specs, we would all be running desktops at full desktop-class TDP. Or laptops made out of cheap bendy plastic with the latest CPUs. Ergonomics matter, build quality matters, and for some the ability to adapt and upgrade is also part of the spec.

> I mean, if all that mattered were specs, we would all be running desktops at full desktop-class TDP. As someone doing just that (I do 99% of my work on my desktop machine), to this day I don't understand folks doing heavy development work on a laptop. If you need portability, remote into a desktop class machine. Sure there are times when you just can't (airplane, or camping in the middle of nowhere, etc) but those…

A lot of people don't work completely from a terminal, and remote-desktop can be a pretty mixed experience. Also, this way companies don't have to issue each person two different devices (and have IT manage twice as many devices, with two different form-factors).

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by tharne »

kakadu wrote: post #152
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes 'funding the change you want to see' is merely to appease your own conscience; some real problems are systemic or caused by other actors. Turning a 1 L/min sink off for the 20 seconds of washing your hands doesn't matter when the farmer down the road is growing row crops in a desert with center-pivot irrigation system. But other times, like this? It's absolutely a valid approach. If a high-profile open lapt…

> Sometimes 'funding the change you want to see' is merely to appease your own conscience; some real problems are systemic or caused by other actors. Indeed, there is no point in having individuals resisting the system, rather changing the system itself would bring forth the systemic change we want. Probably better to have legislations such as GDPR in place rather than people having to install a bunch of privacy exte…

It's not an either/or, both of these angles are extremely important.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by vasco »

omegalulw wrote: post #112
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes 'funding the change you want to see' is merely to appease your own conscience; some real problems are systemic or caused by other actors. Turning a 1 L/min sink off for the 20 seconds of washing your hands doesn't matter when the farmer down the road is growing row crops in a desert with center-pivot irrigation system. But other times, like this? It's absolutely a valid approach. If a high-profile open lapt…

1 L/min is 1 L/min, and it's not a great sacrifice to turn off a faucet when you don't need it. So even if the farmer is not judiciously using water, it doesn't mean you shouldn't.

You should take a look at Ahmdal's law. "Every little bit helps" type thinking is a detriment to the fixing of most problems that should be tackled on the biggest contributing factors first, always. This is a rule of optimisation that can be extended for most other things.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by meowster »

sneakernets wrote: post #95
d0100 wrote: post #65

Will there be an option for a different keyboard? It's been some 10 years since everyone seemed to have settled on the "chiclet" style keyboards, to my own sadness

I can't type on a chiclet keyboard. I've tried. Until a laptop has a real keyboard again, I've had to stick with my 2011 T520.

The MNT Reform laptop has a mechanical keyboard.

https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform

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