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Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#131

Post by evilos »

StevePerkins wrote: post #117

I'm all for more choice and competition in this industry, and more pressure on manufacturers to reign in consumer-hostile practices. However, I'm not sure that I get this. At the end of the day, we're talking about an MBP-lookalike that runs Windows and has non-soldered RAM. And kinda-sorta gives you an option to run Linux without paying the Windows tax, but only if you're willing to assemble from a kit. That's... no…

Uh, you missed the main feature of the device. Basically everything in the laptop is user replaceable. Even the motherboard can be swapped and presumably replaced with a newer model. The ports can be swapped too, so no more wishing you had more USB ports or ethernet ports or whatever. You could even design your own expansion card. Framework can release new keyboards, screens, etc and the user can just install them as they like. That is incredible!

When they release an AMD motherboard I'm definitely going to order one.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by streamofdigits »

the force is strong with this one. there is something deeply satisfying in having computing devices that are genuine tools one can master, tinker and grow along with. the exact opposite of the sealed, throwaway, surveillance devices that define this dismal zeitgeist

the challenge will be how to wrap all this goodness in simplicity to reach mass markets. linux never really solved that.

but its the type of challenge that once its solved the world has changed...

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by freedomben »

nrp wrote: post #33
dheera wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They seem to be overcharging for components on the DIY page. Most of those things you can get for cheaper elsewhere including Amazon or Newegg. I would expect that they should be be cheaper if they want to get ahead of the game.

On the DIY Edition, all of the off the shelf modules have a "None" option so that you can bring your own. In general we try to stay close to market pricing on memory and storage, but we can't always get there.

I had one tab with frame.work open, one with amazon, and one with new egg, and while the frame.work were usually a little marked up compared to amazon and new egg, it was extremely close. IMHO that's a great deal for having somebody else vet and test the hardware together and ship it to you in a convenient bundle.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by freedomben »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #119
OJFord wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it be enough to be worthwhile at all though, even ignoring the cost of the control circuitry? (and what's the laptop going to do when it sees 5 power sources? How does it know not to charge one depleted battery module from another?)

Some thinkpads already come with two batteries. The program tlp knows how to handle charging and discharging two batteries very well. It just does them one at at time in a given order of priority.

Yep I have a thinkpad T580 with two batteries and it works flawlessly on Fedora and has for the 3 or 4 years I've owned it.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#135

Post by idoubtit »

sharikone wrote: post #101
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #79

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Sometimes 'funding the change you want to see' is merely to appease your own conscience; some real problems are systemic or caused by other actors. Turning a 1 L/min sink off for the 20 seconds of washing your hands doesn't matter when the farmer down the road is growing row crops in a desert with center-pivot irrigation system. But other times, like this? It's absolutely a valid approach. If a high-profile open lapt…

You'd be surprised by how much water has been saved in droughts by encouraging this kind of small scale efforts. E.g. the Cape Town water crisis

I think your comment is misleading. What was "encouraged" during the Cape Town water crisis was not "small scale efforts". There were details like forbidding hand-washing in some places (replaced by hand sanitizers), but there were also important changes. For example, they introduced a punitive water price for big consumers.

Like the OP, I think one should analyze the problem before opting for the "obvious" solution. I did so with water a few years ago. IIRC, for individuals the biggest share is for showers, then toilet. These two account for two thirds of standard use.

If you encourage people to turn off the sink more often, you may gain 20%... of 5% of their average water needs, so 1% overall. If they take fewer showers, each with less water, they easily can halve their consumption, so a gain of more than 20% overall.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#136

Post by culebron21 »

The concept is very exciting, but I wish it did not try to mimic Mac so strongly. And a bigger complaint from me: the keyboard is inconvenient: 1) up/down cursor merged in one key is hard to use; 2) there's no home/end/pgup/pgdn keys. 10 years earlier my Toshiba managed to had all of them in a 13.5" laptop, and now I own an MSI Modern 14 that also has these keys. At work I used laptops without these keys (Mac, Lenovo Thinkpad, ASUS), and that was very painful! Hope these features appear one day.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#137

Post by freedomben »

ddtaylor wrote: post #27
nrp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a blog post on our company blog. We used to write them weekly to share more detail on different parts of the hardware and systems we're building, but took a pause as we worked through launch. We're now starting back up. We don't post these directly anywhere but our own website, email lists, and social channels, and I assume throwawaysea (who doesn't seem to be a throwaway account) is subscribed to one of those.

That's okay. You're free to write whatever you want on your blog and others are free to submit it here to HN. Even if you submit it yourself I don't see that as a problem. My comment is that there really isn't much of substance in the article. It's very short and doesn't contain much information in it. I like the Framework laptop, but I think this post doesn't do a lot. Best of luck!

I totally disagree. Mine is arriving any day now and one of the most important pieces of info that I needed was there. Fedora 34 will need an update before everything will work.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#138

Post by fsflover »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #23
turbinerneiter wrote: post #14

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Pruism, Framework, System76 - I think it's less about whether the market is big enough, but more about other effects that allow you to survive in smaller niches. I think today it is just became cheaper for sample companies to offer laptops that can compete with the big names. The Clevo machines of old looked really bad next to a MacBook, today, while still less nice, they are flat and light and minimal as well.

> Pruism, Framework, System76 If there's anything that the past 20 years of American Capitalism has taught us: these companies should all merge, integrate their hardware and software, and then get a bunch of VC money until they are the single, truly-free personal hardware vendor in the market.

Purism is Social Purpose Corporation, so it shouldn't work for them.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#139

Post by [deleted] »

codethief wrote: post #91

This is the first time I'm hearing about the Framework laptop and… damn, it looks enticing. Unfortunately, 13" is definitely too small for me (in terms of ergonomics). Are you planning on releasing models with a larger (and matte) screen in the future? Also, could the keyboard "module" in theory be fully customized by the community (so as to support ergonomic layouts similar to ErgoDox, include a trackpoint etc.)? Fi…

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Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#140

Post by kvark »

evilos wrote: post #131
StevePerkins wrote: post #117

I'm all for more choice and competition in this industry, and more pressure on manufacturers to reign in consumer-hostile practices. However, I'm not sure that I get this. At the end of the day, we're talking about an MBP-lookalike that runs Windows and has non-soldered RAM. And kinda-sorta gives you an option to run Linux without paying the Windows tax, but only if you're willing to assemble from a kit. That's... no…

Uh, you missed the main feature of the device. Basically everything in the laptop is user replaceable. Even the motherboard can be swapped and presumably replaced with a newer model. The ports can be swapped too, so no more wishing you had more USB ports or ethernet ports or whatever. You could even design your own expansion card. Framework can release new keyboards, screens, etc and the user can just install them as…

Claiming that the motherboard can be replaced is highly aspirational at this point. Let's wait and see.

Personally, very excited to see this product, but I really want an AMD APU machine.

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