too expensive. should be the same price as a windows laptop minus ~$80 for the windows
System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock
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Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock
#272This is an huge deal : the 5700U is faster than the Mac M1 at the same wattage https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Apple-M1-8-Core-3200-MH...
If you have embarrassingly parallel loads, sure. But: CPU Single Thread Rating Apple M1 - 3,778 AMD 5700U - 2,636 suggests that "is faster" is going to depend on your perspective. Most loads I care about are single threaded. The 5700U is 8% faster on a synthetic multi-core benchmark vs. 30% slower on a single core benchmark. I know which CPU I'd choose if I had a choice.
I also doubt the AMD chip got those results anywhere near the 15w TDP. I didn't find concrete numbers on the 5700U, though.
I would take an AMD chip over the M1 in a desktop any day, but not in a laptop.
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#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, so the conclusion is that the keyboard should be customizable.
No, the conclusion is that more buttons are always better. You can always customize a keyboard with minimal effort, unless you're on a really bad operating system, like any of the proprietary ones.
Hard disagree. I dont need more keys, I need better keys. More keys just means more reaching and more strain. I use the Preonic and would love to see layer keys on a laptop instead of a stupidly big spacebar nobody ever uses wasting so much real estate.
I think the Framework laptop is our best shot at it though.
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#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
is it? I don't think it's any slower than typing other characters.
I did data entry for a job. In my experience, the numpad was considerably faster and accurate. It has been a long time, but I recall it cutting down entry time by ~5-6x (yes, I finished my daily quota in about an hour or two, instead of all day). The advantage was being able to use multiple fingers comfortably, without looking (there is a nice nub on most numpads) and leaving a hand free for letters/tabs. But like an…
Interesting, though data entry feels like something that should have been automated (even if source is paper).
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#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
How many digits long does it have to be to pay for the time to move your hand to the numpad and back?
About 4 digits IMO. The "5" key on most numpads has a bump so I can reach it without even looking at a keyboard I'm familiar with. Any 4-digit security pin I use is entered from numpads. I always buy a laptop with a numpad. Its my preferred method of typing numbers. There are also a whole slew of video game applications, as well as Blender movement (camera angles, camera movement, etc. etc.) that's highly intuitively…
Reading this makes me want a brain type interface.
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#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just put the damn thing in the middle.
I'd actually be into that. I come from the split keyboards world. Put your god damned numpad in the middle and give me ortholinear keys on each side. I will throw money at you today.
> I come from the split keyboards world.
What terrifying place is that? (I'm just poking fun, but seriously: where?)
Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock
#277I’ll briefly share the link to much more detailed system documentation. Including tear down/repair instructions: https://tech-docs.system76.com/models/pang11/README.html
Thats a pretty nice summary. Its pretty expandable (ram/drives/wireless), and has a lot of ports.
Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock
#278Uhh I understand that good Linux support is valuable, but the price premium for that is just too high. For the base variant(5500u, 8gb, 240gb): Pangolin - 1200$ Lenovo Ideapad 3 15 - 430$[1] For a higher-end variant(5700u, 16gb, 500gb): Pangolin - 1542$ HP 15z - 640$[2] I admit these are the absolute cheapest ones I could find(using noteb.com), but even the more premium laptops like Thinkpads are way cheaper(and AFAI…
Yup. Hard to pick this over a Dell XPS or a ThinkPad with Linux. Nevermind many other options that Linux can be installed onto.
On the System 76 website, this laptop upgraded to 16 Gigs of RAM comes at at $1288 for me.
Which Dell XPS with equivalent specs at 15 inch screen is cheaper let alone considerably cheaper? I can't seem to find on the Dell website https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/sr/laptops/xps-...
Gets even worse with 32 Gigs RAM- the cheapest Dell XPS is ~$500 more that this machine specced out to 32GB RAM https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/sr/laptops/xps-...
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