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System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by Fatalist_ma »

Uhh I understand that good Linux support is valuable, but the price premium for that is just too high.

For the base variant(5500u, 8gb, 240gb):

Pangolin - 1200$

Lenovo Ideapad 3 15 - 430$[1]

For a higher-end variant(5700u, 16gb, 500gb):

Pangolin - 1542$

HP 15z - 640$[2]

I admit these are the absolute cheapest ones I could find(using noteb.com), but even the more premium laptops like Thinkpads are way cheaper(and AFAIK they also provide very good Linux support).

[1]: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lenovo-Ideapad-3-15-15-6-AMD-Ryze...

[2]: https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-laptop-15z-ef2000-touch...

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by jbluepolarbear »

avodonosov wrote: post #109
jbluepolarbear wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just recently got this: https://www.newegg.com/pine-gray-asus-zenbook-14-um425ua-ns7... and it’s a great laptop. The equivalent pangolin is nearly double the price.

What OS do you use with it?

I use windows on it. Only my game server runs Linux because I expose it to the internet.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

#183

Post by admax88qqq »

chrisseaton wrote: post #159
jagger27 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. It works even better with a little extra height.

Isn't that argument circular? Wide screen - great but add a little height so you can see more rows. Now you have a tall screen - great but add a little width so you can see more columns.

Yup.

In the end, wide vs tall makes less of a difference than total size in inches and total number of pixels.

Take your preferred 4:3 and add horizontal pixels under 16:9, or your preferred 16:9 and add vertical pixeks under 4:3, on either case you can fit more on the screen.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by frellus »

I like and support anyone trying to do a Linux laptop, but sorry System76 -- I hate, hate, hate your keyboard layout. Awful!

Take a look at the keyboard layout before you decide to purchase a system. Also, ask yourself if you shouldn't just be getting a Dell instead.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

#185

Post by tempest_ »

Fatalist_ma wrote: post #181

Uhh I understand that good Linux support is valuable, but the price premium for that is just too high. For the base variant(5500u, 8gb, 240gb): Pangolin - 1200$ Lenovo Ideapad 3 15 - 430$[1] For a higher-end variant(5700u, 16gb, 500gb): Pangolin - 1542$ HP 15z - 640$[2] I admit these are the absolute cheapest ones I could find(using noteb.com), but even the more premium laptops like Thinkpads are way cheaper(and AFAI…

I don't know about the quality of the pangolin or the HP but I can tell you that lenovos consumer level laptops are pretty trash quality wise.

The thinkpads (at least the X,T and P models) tend to be a different story but even that is changing in recent years

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

#186

Post by syshum »

clipradiowallet wrote: post #155
throwaway9980 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's oh so terrible isn't it? I feel like this is one of those flexible majority things that Nassim Taleb talks about [1]. The vast majority of people don't care one way or the other. There is a small minority who wants the numeric keypad and an even smaller minority that despises the numeric keypad and will never buy a laptop that includes one. For me, it's always been yet another selling point for the Macbook. [1]…

> smaller minority that despises the numeric keypad and will never buy a laptop that includes one I'm in this minority! Why don't people use the top-row numbers!?!?

I would prefer a keyboard with out the Top row of numbers. Those are pretty much useless.

So much so that I often use AHK to remap the top number row to be other functions.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

#187

Post by rossdavidh »

Just to add my anecdatum: I am on my third or fourth System76 laptop, the others are all still working just after a few years I need to upgrade. One is now the living room stereo and one is the gaming room stereo. The point I'm making is that they last for years, I think my oldest is a decade old and still works fine. So, just one person's experience but there it is.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by smoldesu »

tempest_ wrote: post #185
Fatalist_ma wrote: post #181

Uhh I understand that good Linux support is valuable, but the price premium for that is just too high. For the base variant(5500u, 8gb, 240gb): Pangolin - 1200$ Lenovo Ideapad 3 15 - 430$[1] For a higher-end variant(5700u, 16gb, 500gb): Pangolin - 1542$ HP 15z - 640$[2] I admit these are the absolute cheapest ones I could find(using noteb.com), but even the more premium laptops like Thinkpads are way cheaper(and AFAI…

I don't know about the quality of the pangolin or the HP but I can tell you that lenovos consumer level laptops are pretty trash quality wise. The thinkpads (at least the X,T and P models) tend to be a different story but even that is changing in recent years

Really? I bought an Ideapad for my mom a few months ago and I was pretty impressed with the build quality. It was plastic (as all $450 laptops are) but felt relatively rugged, and the internals were surprisingly open too. I was rather happy with the thermals too, there wasn't much we could throw at it to make it sustain uncomfortable temps.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

#189

Post by asddubs »

Fatalist_ma wrote: post #181

Uhh I understand that good Linux support is valuable, but the price premium for that is just too high. For the base variant(5500u, 8gb, 240gb): Pangolin - 1200$ Lenovo Ideapad 3 15 - 430$[1] For a higher-end variant(5700u, 16gb, 500gb): Pangolin - 1542$ HP 15z - 640$[2] I admit these are the absolute cheapest ones I could find(using noteb.com), but even the more premium laptops like Thinkpads are way cheaper(and AFAI…

do ideapads actually have good linux support? Compared to a thinkpad it's cheap, those seem to start at 2 grand these days

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

#190

Post by Fatalist_ma »

asddubs wrote: post #189
Fatalist_ma wrote: post #181

Uhh I understand that good Linux support is valuable, but the price premium for that is just too high. For the base variant(5500u, 8gb, 240gb): Pangolin - 1200$ Lenovo Ideapad 3 15 - 430$[1] For a higher-end variant(5700u, 16gb, 500gb): Pangolin - 1542$ HP 15z - 640$[2] I admit these are the absolute cheapest ones I could find(using noteb.com), but even the more premium laptops like Thinkpads are way cheaper(and AFAI…

do ideapads actually have good linux support? Compared to a thinkpad it's cheap, those seem to start at 2 grand these days

Not sure about Ideapads.

Thinkpads with AMD cpu-s are not that expensive: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1645679-REG/lenovo_20...

Same specs for 40% less than Pangolin.

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