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System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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who buys these instead of Lenovos for running Linux on? Lenovo T14's are going for 65% of the asking price of one of these, if you don't care about intel vs amd.

Linux support is a side project for Lenovo. They could end it any any time.

System76 is all in on Linux support. That's why I support them.

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The specs page is a bit vague in places. Graphics AMD Radeon™ Graphics Storage 1 x M.2 SSD(SATA or PCIe NVMe). Up to 2TB total. In the configurator you have to pay attention to the read speeds to figure out if you are getting a SATA or PCIe drive. There is no indication for which brand of drive they are using. I have a few SSD controllers that are on my do not buy list, like anything made by Sandforce[1] after we los…

Sandforce hasn't existed for years BTW. Unfortunately the general problem stands; virtually no laptop will tell you what SSD you're getting.

At https://tuxedocomputers.com another Clevo reseller like System76, you can choose the SSD you want or even none and put it in yourself.

Disclaimer: contented customer

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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I have no idea who thought this was a good idea. The trackpad is even off to the left to accommodate it. I'm not a fan of symmetry for symmetry's sake, but I do think some affordances for the human body might be a good idea. How do southpaws enjoy this keyboard setup? The ergonomics of laptops are bad enough without stuff like this.

>The trackpad is even off to the left to accommodate it. Yes, that is the first thing I notice. Any laptop with an off-center trackpad goes in the do-not-buy list.

Same here. I imagine hating it every time I open the laptop.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Same here. Saw the lead image with and immediately thought: no buy. No fancy specs in the world can make me accept bad ergonomics.

I’d expect that the ergo costs of using a laptop at all (short key travel, screen down from eye level) would swamp the additional cost of having the keyboard off center. After all, you can just crane your neck down and sideways instead of just down :). Seriously, anyone using a laptop full time for work (who cares about ergo) should invest in an external keyboard and monitor.

> Seriously, anyone using a laptop full time for work (who cares about ergo) should invest in an external keyboard and monitor.

FWIW, I’ve been using a 15” MBP as my primary dev/work machine for over a decade and I’ve just become used to it. Tried external monitor, keyboard a few times, but it just doesn’t work for me anymore. I mostly run in high res mode, as opposed to the scaled default mode and it works well. This is also why the 13” laptops are not an option for me, am eagerly waiting for the 16” MBP fingers crossed.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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I wish a person could order one of these without the numeric keypad. I deeply hate being off-center to the screen when typing on these larger portables.

It's oh so terrible isn't it? I feel like this is one of those flexible majority things that Nassim Taleb talks about [1]. The vast majority of people don't care one way or the other. There is a small minority who wants the numeric keypad and an even smaller minority that despises the numeric keypad and will never buy a laptop that includes one. For me, it's always been yet another selling point for the Macbook. [1]…

> smaller minority that despises the numeric keypad and will never buy a laptop that includes one

I'm in this minority! Why don't people use the top-row numbers!?!?

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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I say it every time every time one of these threads pop up and I’ll say it again here: if it’s not 16:10 or 3:2 I’m simply not interested. I buy devices like this for productivity. I don't care about black bars when watching videos because I don't watch videos on it. What I absolutely care about is the extra inch of text in my terminal or text editor. I didn't think this was a controversial opinion.

Doesn't a wide aspect ratio let you put two code listings next to each other?

16:10 or 3:2 screens usually are not reduced in width (compared to 16:9), but extended in height. For example, the 16:10 counterpart of FHD is not 1728x1080, but 1920x1200. (Historically, it’s actually the other way around: When 16:9 displays were introduced, those were cut-down versions of existing 16:10 resolutions, with the same horizontal but less vertical resolution.)

If you’re used to the extra height, even ultra-wide aspect ratios such as 21:9 (or even wider) do not compensate for the lost height compared to the corresponding :10 or :10.666 height.

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i deeply hate being without a numpad. I understand it's duplicated space, but typing numbers on a numpad is just a million times faster than going above the alphabet keys.

A virtual numpad via a modifier key can be the best of both worlds; no extra space is used and your hands stay in the center. Example with image: https://andrew.kvalhe.im/2021-03-19 With this method you can customize the location and surrounding mathematical operators.

In my limited beginner experience (rarely use numpads, mostly in Blender, or virtual numpads), it's awkward to turn virtual numpads on and off, I keep forgetting which state the keyboard is in, and it's hard to read the grayed-out key labels to figure out which normal key maps to the numpad key I want.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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I wish a person could order one of these without the numeric keypad. I deeply hate being off-center to the screen when typing on these larger portables.

I have no idea who thought this was a good idea. The trackpad is even off to the left to accommodate it. I'm not a fan of symmetry for symmetry's sake, but I do think some affordances for the human body might be a good idea. How do southpaws enjoy this keyboard setup? The ergonomics of laptops are bad enough without stuff like this.

TIL that left-handers are also called southpaws.

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Doesn't a wide aspect ratio let you put two code listings next to each other?

Sure. It works even better with a little extra height.

Isn't that argument circular?

Wide screen - great but add a little height so you can see more rows. Now you have a tall screen - great but add a little width so you can see more columns.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Obviously the "Linux-first" is a big value-add for this brand, but the hardware for the price isn't amazing. $1200 gets you a Zen 2 (previous generation) 6-core, 12-thread CPU[0], 8GB RAM, 240 GB NVME, 15" 1080p (did not see brightness/color accuracy mentioned.) But I like my laptops to come with fast refresh and a dedicated GPU, and I run Windows, so I'm not their target audience. Would love to hear how this is rece…

Price does seem to be on the higher side. It does satisfy most of my checklist though: - Does the hardware fully support Linux? Yes . - Does it have the latest AMD Ryzen CPU? Kind of (last gen is decent too). - Can you run other OS on it? Yes. - Is the screen glossy? No (is matte / anti-glare) . - Is the RAM soldered? No . - Is the RAM upgradeable? Yes, upto 64 GB . - Is the SSD soldered? No . - Is the SSD upgradeabl…

Look at the framework laptop too
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