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System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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I wish a person could order one of these without the numeric keypad. I deeply hate being off-center to the screen when typing on these larger portables.

I too hate numeric keypad and being off-center. Especially when you need to keep notebook on lap.

But it is really hard to find notebook without numpad these days. Especially hard if it needs to work with linux out of the box.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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post #59

I wish a person could order one of these without the numeric keypad. I deeply hate being off-center to the screen when typing on these larger portables.

As someone who just ordered a 60% and found themself amazed at how usable it was - even missing classic keys like the arrow keys - I also can't believe they would go for numpad. Very oldschool for such a modern product.

It's not a modern product on the hardware side. System76 hardware is generic Clevo kit.

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I say it every time every time one of these threads pop up and I’ll say it again here: if it’s not 16:10 or 3:2 I’m simply not interested. I buy devices like this for productivity. I don't care about black bars when watching videos because I don't watch videos on it. What I absolutely care about is the extra inch of text in my terminal or text editor. I didn't think this was a controversial opinion.

Doesn't a wide aspect ratio let you put two code listings next to each other?

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Very distinguishable after daily use of a MacBook Pro.

Yeah ok but this is a computer for hackers, not people who decide what shade grey to make text on a website.

High resolution is particularly useful for people who work on text all day - so hackers.

I don't know if you're confusing it with high dynamic range? This isn't about colour.

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post #31
post #12

1080p screen is a no-go. come on yall, it's 2021

I would have thought the same several years ago. At age 40+, 1080p on a laptop is still good. Even at 1080p, I have to go into accessibility settings to enlarge text. I'm pretty much out of the market for 4k screens on laptops these days. Also had to switch to a big phone and crank up the text size.

> Even at 1080p, I have to go into accessibility settings to enlarge text.

1080p is about the resolution of the screen, not the size of anything rendered on the screen.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

#146

I wish a person could order one of these without the numeric keypad. I deeply hate being off-center to the screen when typing on these larger portables.

It's oh so terrible isn't it? I feel like this is one of those flexible majority things that Nassim Taleb talks about [1]. The vast majority of people don't care one way or the other. There is a small minority who wants the numeric keypad and an even smaller minority that despises the numeric keypad and will never buy a laptop that includes one. For me, it's always been yet another selling point for the Macbook.

[1] https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

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>The trackpad is even off to the left to accommodate it. Yes, that is the first thing I notice. Any laptop with an off-center trackpad goes in the do-not-buy list.

Same here. Saw the lead image with and immediately thought: no buy. No fancy specs in the world can make me accept bad ergonomics.

I’d expect that the ergo costs of using a laptop at all (short key travel, screen down from eye level) would swamp the additional cost of having the keyboard off center. After all, you can just crane your neck down and sideways instead of just down :).

Seriously, anyone using a laptop full time for work (who cares about ergo) should invest in an external keyboard and monitor.

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#148
post #7

I say it every time every time one of these threads pop up and I’ll say it again here: if it’s not 16:10 or 3:2 I’m simply not interested. I buy devices like this for productivity. I don't care about black bars when watching videos because I don't watch videos on it. What I absolutely care about is the extra inch of text in my terminal or text editor. I didn't think this was a controversial opinion.

Doesn't a wide aspect ratio let you put two code listings next to each other?

Sure. It works even better with a little extra height.

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50+ with bad eyes, and I think the difference between 4K and 1080p is still very noticeable on a 15.6" laptop, in terms of sharpness. Having said that, most people probably set the text magnification on a 4K screen to be the same as a 1080p screen, so any real estate gains tend to be a wash. Since getting presbyopia several years ago, I had single vision glasses prescribed for using a computer. So when I am using a c…

> Having said that, most people probably set the text magnification on a 4K screen to be the same as a 1080p screen, so any real estate gains tend to be a wash. If someone's buying a laptop with a 4K display for real estate, he's probably misinformed. You buy a 4K display on a laptop for the pristine ~293 PPI vs a mediocre ~146 PPI on a 1080p display which would look even worse considering it would need fractional sc…

> 1080p display which would look even worse considering it would need fractional scaling

That depends on the OS though, right? I don't know about Linux or Mac, but I'm pretty sure that if you scale on Windows, you're still running at the native resolution, but the UI elements get scaled. Nothing should look weird. At least that has been my experience on Windows... outside of apps that don't follow Microsoft's scaling guidelines.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

#150

I wish a person could order one of these without the numeric keypad. I deeply hate being off-center to the screen when typing on these larger portables.

It's oh so terrible isn't it? I feel like this is one of those flexible majority things that Nassim Taleb talks about [1]. The vast majority of people don't care one way or the other. There is a small minority who wants the numeric keypad and an even smaller minority that despises the numeric keypad and will never buy a laptop that includes one. For me, it's always been yet another selling point for the Macbook. [1]…

The trackpad is not centered. I'm the small minority that won't touch a laptop with an off centered trackpad. It's very uncomfortable for me as I use my right hand. Ideally manufacturers should make a large touch screen/surface that covers the entire area below the keyboard. We have the technology, it can be done.
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