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Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by Shank »

"Large" is a bit of an interesting statement. Companies with $10m in revenue are very common, and are often smaller companies. Software is all about leverage. A very small team can create a lot of leverage with the right tools to make a very strong product and get to $10m ARR without necessarily having many people.

It seems like the real cost to this change is the goodwill from smaller companies + teams that are now realizing they'll have another expense dropped on them. Except the expense is a previously free product with no real improvements, at least from what I can tell.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by acdha »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #215
namdnay wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s assuming some kind soul in engineering management has the patience and leverage to guide this through 10 layers of purchasing, procurement, finance, legal etc… Another likely outcome is that it’s “easier” for teams to switch to another tool (easier in that at least they’re not waiting on a third party for approval) and everyone loses a lot of time Big corporations are not the most efficient beasts for this kin…

I've been fortunate enough to work at companies where engineers were trusted to make small purchasing decisions. It works well for a while, but eventually everyone accumulates a lot of random recurring charges and the company cracks down. $21 is nothing for a one-time spend. $21 per month per employee is now $252/year per employee, but now you also need someone managing all of these licenses and accounting. Every new…

One other big factor: certain other vendors have very aggressive sales tactics which essentially boil down to “buy a bunch of stuff you don’t need or we’ll audit every computer in your company and charge a penalty for anything we can find to quibble with”.

Docker doesn’t need to actually do that to run afoul of policies based on the scar tissue from those other vendors. Simply going from “you can use it without being sued” to “we have to pay people to make sure we’ll win” will increase the perceived cost at many large shops.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by truffdog »

regularfry wrote: post #209
qeternity wrote: post #130

So many people in this thread don’t understand how enterprise decisions get made. The business license costs $21/month, probably less in reality. Do you really think that businesses are going to jeopardize the workflows of their $250k/year assets over a very core piece of software for $250/year? Any alternative has switching costs and risks. Companies will just pay this. I see so many people saying “just do these 10…

I honestly don't think I could get Docker Desktop through our procurement process before the end of the grace period. It's not a matter of "this is peanuts" as much as "we're guaranteed to breach the license terms if we keep using this thing, so everyone has to get off it now ." And then once it's gone, we'll limp along with whatever plugs the gap until something else emerges a as a winner, which probably won't be Do…

This reminds me of the genius of AWS. The engineering team can just buy whatever they want, no questions asked.

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Post by vlunkr »

krzyk wrote: post #235

I'm a bit puzzled what costs and what not, as it is a first time I see "Docker Desktop" name. I use docker on linux, mainly executing "docker build", "docker run", etc. Does it still cost if I do it in a 1k+ company during work?

The article says there are no changes to the command line tool. This is the first time I'm hearing of Docker Desktop as well.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by etxm »

Honest question: Besides IT endpoint management, why does our industry continue to develop software that is leaning more and more towards containerization on Mac OS?

I’ve been a Mac user for 20 years and do a lot of docker and Kubernetes work. I recently started developing on a Linux machine that was a fourth of the price and a lot less burden for my day-to-day work.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by posterboy »

namdnay wrote: post #158
qeternity wrote: post #130

So many people in this thread don’t understand how enterprise decisions get made. The business license costs $21/month, probably less in reality. Do you really think that businesses are going to jeopardize the workflows of their $250k/year assets over a very core piece of software for $250/year? Any alternative has switching costs and risks. Companies will just pay this. I see so many people saying “just do these 10…

That’s assuming some kind soul in engineering management has the patience and leverage to guide this through 10 layers of purchasing, procurement, finance, legal etc… Another likely outcome is that it’s “easier” for teams to switch to another tool (easier in that at least they’re not waiting on a third party for approval) and everyone loses a lot of time Big corporations are not the most efficient beasts for this kin…

> Big corporations are not the most efficient beasts for this kind of situation

What situation, being trapped? I'm not sure what size has to do with it. Are small corporations maybe more ... agile?

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Post by watermelon0 »

vhodges wrote: post #113
solarkraft wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As soon as there is a viable alternative (and I’d be happy to contribute to the effort), I’ll be moving away from Docker for Mac. I just SSH into my server. The biggest pain about macOS is that it can't easily mount SFTP.

Fuse/sshfs exists for OSX. Seems to work okay the little I played with it.

I used fuse/sshfs quite a lot in the past, and never had much issues (I think most of my issues were with how my editor displayed and refreshed the file list, not with the actual sshfs implementation, and were similar to those on Linux/Windows.)

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Post by truffdog »

TheDong wrote: post #206
deusex_ wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what minikube backend are you using for this? The preferred one is Docker and all the others are also paid on Mac.

> all the others are also paid on Mac Hyperkit is open source software that works on macOS. https://minikube.sigs.k8s.io/docs/drivers/hyperkit/ Virtualbox is also a free (as in beer, and mostly libre) driver that works on all of windows/linux/macOS

Hyperkit is docker for mac's backend though, so... whatever bugs that upset people are probably still present.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by make3 »

dpratt wrote: post #33

This appears to be cutting of their nose to spite their face. We have a team of 50+ engineers that all use Docker for Mac for daily development tasks, but I suspect that will no longer be true in a rather short amount of time. Frankly, I don’t really know if anybody actually uses the UI components for it outside of starting and stopping the engine and for basic configuration of the VM. Everything else that comes with…

21$/month/user is nothing for the business setting.

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Post by dijit »

matsemann wrote: post #231
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've found Docker Desktop to be equally awful with Windows. You'd think they'd care about giant swathes of the market like that.

Wish they fixed the issue where it uses all available RAM even when running no containers yet.

That’s not an issue though. That’s just how virtual machines work. You’re carving out a chunk of your system for the docker Linux VM that runs your containers.

You can open up the docker app and configure a smaller amount of ram if it impacts your host OS

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