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Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Overall if they want to charge for their product that's fine. I just hate the model of release free or really permissible application, wait for widespread adoption, then tighten clamp. For what it's worth they've lost my business there.

I want to coin it as “embrace, extend, extort.”

Very accurate for a lot of companies like this lately. Consider it coined.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

#112
post #33

This appears to be cutting of their nose to spite their face. We have a team of 50+ engineers that all use Docker for Mac for daily development tasks, but I suspect that will no longer be true in a rather short amount of time. Frankly, I don’t really know if anybody actually uses the UI components for it outside of starting and stopping the engine and for basic configuration of the VM. Everything else that comes with…

Personally I think just running portainer as a container is a viable alternative to docket desktop. But I never really used the UI much, so perhaps there are features I don’t know of.

Unless there's podman or similar for local dev, you'd still need Docker Desktop to use it on Windows/MacOS.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

#113
post #33

This appears to be cutting of their nose to spite their face. We have a team of 50+ engineers that all use Docker for Mac for daily development tasks, but I suspect that will no longer be true in a rather short amount of time. Frankly, I don’t really know if anybody actually uses the UI components for it outside of starting and stopping the engine and for basic configuration of the VM. Everything else that comes with…

> As soon as there is a viable alternative (and I’d be happy to contribute to the effort), I’ll be moving away from Docker for Mac. I just SSH into my server. The biggest pain about macOS is that it can't easily mount SFTP.

Fuse/sshfs exists for OSX. Seems to work okay the little I played with it.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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post #87
post #61

Rancher Desktop is an open source container management and Kubernetes desktop app. https://rancherdesktop.io/ Disclosure: I work on Rancher Desktop. Feedback welcome.

Ok, I gave it a try. It's given me two K8s errors before any meaningful container work can be done. Not going to waste further time given a first run experience this bad. I'm interested in investing in my tools, not alpha-testing.

Probably shouldn't run tools in alpha status then

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

#115

This seems like a bit of a footgun from Docker Inc. Those on Linux will just run Docker Engine (the open source part) directly, or move to alternatives like Podman. Docker Desktop only really has value on macOS and Windows, and there it's only because nobody wants to manage the glue to setup a Linux VM. Given the cost, I suspect many will chose to do that glue work themselves and I wouldn't be surprised to see an ope…

It’s not the users who will be paying for it. Enterprises will bend over and take this 100%

Good move by Docker, financially speaking. They have little to lose.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

#116
post #89
post #33

This appears to be cutting of their nose to spite their face. We have a team of 50+ engineers that all use Docker for Mac for daily development tasks, but I suspect that will no longer be true in a rather short amount of time. Frankly, I don’t really know if anybody actually uses the UI components for it outside of starting and stopping the engine and for basic configuration of the VM. Everything else that comes with…

You’re going to spend scarce engineering resources reimplementing a Docker for Mac alternative, then roll out your immature alternative to 50+ engineers, instead of paying a few hundred dollars a month for a good product and moving on? It seems to me you would be the one cutting off your nose to spite your face in this scenario.

The reason this move isn't popular is because it seemed like local docker development (for any size corporation) was always going to be free. If I personally had known this was in the cards I would have invested (time, money and effort) into alternatives earlier on. Instead they killed all the competition and are now demanding money. So yeah, this is the first move by Docker that has made me kind of mad at the company.

How does this affect consultants that want to introduce docker to large corporations but small teams? A lot of scenarios become crappy now.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

#117
It's shameful that this product was once free is now going to be charged, even if it's only for larger businesses.

I wonder how sustainable it is for docker to be like other open source entities and rely on consistent donations from major corporations to rely on income.

I also wonder if this will impede on docker adoption in the coming months. I guess time is the only one that can tell

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

#118
post #33

This appears to be cutting of their nose to spite their face. We have a team of 50+ engineers that all use Docker for Mac for daily development tasks, but I suspect that will no longer be true in a rather short amount of time. Frankly, I don’t really know if anybody actually uses the UI components for it outside of starting and stopping the engine and for basic configuration of the VM. Everything else that comes with…

> (and I’d be happy to contribute to the effort)

Isn't paying their fee also contributing to the effort of what they've put in to it so far, and ideally what they'll do to keep it working and improve over time?

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

#119

This seems like a bit of a footgun from Docker Inc. Those on Linux will just run Docker Engine (the open source part) directly, or move to alternatives like Podman. Docker Desktop only really has value on macOS and Windows, and there it's only because nobody wants to manage the glue to setup a Linux VM. Given the cost, I suspect many will chose to do that glue work themselves and I wouldn't be surprised to see an ope…

Honestly, I don't see a reason to keep Docker for Mac installed on my computer. I haven't run a container workload locally in I don't know how long and I haven't built a container locally in even longer. It's just taking up space on my laptop and bugging me to update what seems like constantly.
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