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Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by rcarmo » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 4:52 PM UTC

alanwreath wrote: post #62

rcarmo wrote: post #40

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For the Mac, just get Canonical’s Multipass ( http://multipass.run ) and do an apt-get to install Docker into a VM and use VS Code to “remote” to it. It will automatically install the Docker extension inside the Linux VM and you’re set. For Windows, use WSL2 and do the same. Both can mount “local” folders, although the setup is obviously different. You now have a better way to manage containers than ever before.

Can’t say that limiting developers to VSCode is necessarily a step forward.

Well, it does set up everything automagically for you. I can also dig around for my Docker CLI config and the right way to expose the Docker TCP socket to the host, but if you need a quick way to get working, VS Code is it.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by kristjansson » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 4:53 PM UTC

db3pt0 wrote: post #66

Looking at the installation instructions for Docker on Mac/Windows, what is the expected way to install the Docker Engine without installing the Desktop bundle? From https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/binaries/#install-cli... > The macOS binary includes the Docker client only. It does not include the dockerd daemon.

Docker Engine only runs on Linux.

Docker for Mac/Windows sets up a Linux VM using macOS/Windows native virtualization via the open-source HyperKit/VPNKit abstractions maintained by Docker-the-Company and the community. That VM runs Docker Enginer (dockerd) and all interaction (docker CLI commands, shared volumes, networking, etc.) are proxied into that VM.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by adolph » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 4:56 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #55

physicsguy wrote: post #43

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My tiny part of a division of my last company made $40 million USD per year in revenue. We had ~40 employees. Getting the funding for using something like this came from a few levels up and would be in no way guaranteed.

I admit Docker will likely have to tweak their licensing model while also building relationships where there is some wiggle room for how licensing is handled (perhaps accept credit card payments from corporate users that they can expense to sidestep procurement). "Call Us For Pricing"

At my institution the "adapt open source" vs "buy" balance is also affected by the high effort of making a purchase happen. My bet is that things will get hung up on an exclusive acquisition justification, at which point the IBM/RHEL sales team will come in with "solution" using podman, buildah, etc. I've quit DD just now to try those tools out.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by kristjansson » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 4:56 PM UTC

mfer wrote: post #70

kristjansson wrote: post #69

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Seems interesting, but the name conflict with https://rancher.com/ is _very_ confusing. Is Rancher Desktop associated with the linked company?

Rancher Desktop is being build by Rancher (which is now part of SUSE).

Thanks - that wasn't obvious from the Rancher Desktop site.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by cybrexalpha » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 5:07 PM UTC

This seems like a bit of a footgun from Docker Inc. Those on Linux will just run Docker Engine (the open source part) directly, or move to alternatives like Podman. Docker Desktop only really has value on macOS and Windows, and there it's only because nobody wants to manage the glue to setup a Linux VM. Given the cost, I suspect many will chose to do that glue work themselves and I wouldn't be surprised to see an open source project spring up to do that.

Everything else is handled by other parts of the ecosystem already, image registries both private and public, orchestration, etc.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by jameshart » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 5:09 PM UTC

smarx007 wrote: post #71

I think HN needs to update their algorithm. If there is a large number of upvotes and flags, flags should count as votes from some point on. More people need to see this post and discussion needs to happen instead of pushing it off the front page in less than an hour.

If this isn’t front page headline news on HN then something NZ gone very wrong, agreed.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by adolph » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 5:18 PM UTC

mfer wrote: post #61

Rancher Desktop is an open source container management and Kubernetes desktop app. https://rancherdesktop.io/ Disclosure: I work on Rancher Desktop. Feedback welcome.

Ok, I gave it a try. It's given me two K8s errors before any meaningful container work can be done. Not going to waste further time given a first run experience this bad. I'm interested in investing in my tools, not alpha-testing.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by Macha » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 5:19 PM UTC

smarx007 wrote: post #71

I think HN needs to update their algorithm. If there is a large number of upvotes and flags, flags should count as votes from some point on. More people need to see this post and discussion needs to happen instead of pushing it off the front page in less than an hour.

I think since flags effect on ranking has becoming more known, there's more people using it as a post downvote, too.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by zapita » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 5:23 PM UTC

dpratt wrote: post #33

This appears to be cutting of their nose to spite their face. We have a team of 50+ engineers that all use Docker for Mac for daily development tasks, but I suspect that will no longer be true in a rather short amount of time. Frankly, I don’t really know if anybody actually uses the UI components for it outside of starting and stopping the engine and for basic configuration of the VM. Everything else that comes with…

You’re going to spend scarce engineering resources reimplementing a Docker for Mac alternative, then roll out your immature alternative to 50+ engineers, instead of paying a few hundred dollars a month for a good product and moving on?

It seems to me you would be the one cutting off your nose to spite your face in this scenario.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by handrous » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 5:25 PM UTC

saxonww wrote: post #52

handrous wrote: post #50

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I've used Docker for years and never touched Desktop. What's indispensable about it?

It's not great, at all. But at least on Mac it's a lot easier to get going with Docker for Mac than it is to roll your own with e.g. VirtualBox. I assume it's the same on Windows.

I just use whatever `brew install docker` gives me. They don't call that Docker Desktop, right? I thought that was some kind of GUI thing of theirs—I do all my dockering from the command line, which looks the same across Mac and Linux except when (rarely, these days) the virtualization the Mac implementation uses leaks through.