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Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
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Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#32so, when's everyone switching over to Podman?
as soon as a viable alternative to Docker Desktop for Mac exists I am done with this company forever (and they seem to be anticipating that)
why do you need the Docker Desktop? Can't you just use the command line? I mostly use Docker on Linux and even then I've almost switched everything over to Podman.
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#33This appears to be cutting of their nose to spite their face. We have a team of 50+ engineers that all use Docker for Mac for daily development tasks, but I suspect that will no longer be true in a rather short amount of time. Frankly, I don’t really know if anybody actually uses the UI components for it outside of starting and stopping the engine and for basic configuration of the VM. Everything else that comes with it is just useless cruft for our use cases.
As soon as there is a viable alternative (and I’d be happy to contribute to the effort), I’ll be moving away from Docker for Mac.
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#34 front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28368997
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#35so, when's everyone switching over to Podman?
If you're doing $10M in ARR, how much engineering time are you going to spend to switch compared to paying Docker a few thousand dollars a month? Your spend on cloud and Slack (or other comms) is likely far higher. You're probably spending more on mobile/cell business service. "Docker attempting to monetize users of its product who can easily afford the cost." I mean, the terms seems reasonable, and wouldn't you rath…
I'll preface this by saying I'm an IBM employee. That being said your comment rubbed me the wrong way...
> wouldn't you rather support Docker vs IBM (Redhat->Podman)?
Podman is an open source product and Docker is not. I'd much rather support an open source project. And what's wrong with "supporting" IBM anyways? Did they hurt you in some way???
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#36This appears to be cutting of their nose to spite their face. We have a team of 50+ engineers that all use Docker for Mac for daily development tasks, but I suspect that will no longer be true in a rather short amount of time. Frankly, I don’t really know if anybody actually uses the UI components for it outside of starting and stopping the engine and for basic configuration of the VM. Everything else that comes with…
I tried getting podman working pointing at a Linux server and ram into issues as an alternative to Docker. I’m hoping the kinks get worked out and I can move over.
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
(CTO of Docker here) there is a grace period until 31 January next year, we understand that this is a change and people need time to sort out payment.
… isn’t it effective January 31st then?
Sorry it is a bit confusing, the overall terms and conditions update is as of now, but the part about paying has a grace period but obviously we want people to know now what will apply. The terms are not very different from previous terms (although I did get the old no benchmarking clause removed, I don't know why we had that there).
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Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#39It'll be interesting to see how well this works out for Docker, I have a feeling they'll lose quite a bit of custom but convert some to this model. I'd guess a lot of people will just use Docker engine on a Linux VM with the CLI on Windows/Mac as that'll work just fine and is open source. This was kind of inevitable though, ultimately Docker had to find a revenue stream somewhere. Docker Hub must be massively expensi…
There has been a huge push in the community to switch away from docker anyway. The warning signs from the company have been there for awhile and there are several container engine's, systems, UI's and other management tools not built on docker.
This will accelerate those programs
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#40This appears to be cutting of their nose to spite their face. We have a team of 50+ engineers that all use Docker for Mac for daily development tasks, but I suspect that will no longer be true in a rather short amount of time. Frankly, I don’t really know if anybody actually uses the UI components for it outside of starting and stopping the engine and for basic configuration of the VM. Everything else that comes with…
For the Mac, just get Canonical’s Multipass (http://multipass.run) and do an apt-get to install Docker into a VM and use VS Code to “remote” to it. It will automatically install the Docker extension inside the Linux VM and you’re set.
For Windows, use WSL2 and do the same.
Both can mount “local” folders, although the setup is obviously different.
You now have a better way to manage containers than ever before.