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Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

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Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

#101
Would someone confirm my understanding that rice fails to germinate above 34C, and that most rice is grown in equatorial regions hovering around 32C?

Given the +1.5C in the IPCC report, the loss of suitable land for a food crop as important as rice seems like something we should be actively talking about.

Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

#102
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just because it's possible does not imply that it's viable at a commercial scale. i guess the point was, that this has changed. likewise the average temperature over the year does not neccesarily depict climate in the vegetation period.

Yup. Similarly my parents grow 1 grape bush for 3 decades already and make wine out of it each year, but it's a hobby, it wasn't commercially viable till a few years ago. There were less than 20 wineyards in Poland in 2000 and none in 1990, now there's almost 500.

Correlation does not imply causation.

Poland was a communist country with closed borders until not long ago.

Commercial enterprise was not exactly blooming in the late 90s.

In addition, supply chain and shipping costs hadnt yet grown and fallen in price to the level they have today , making new crops a real export opportunity.

Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

#104

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That's pretty sad - that the climate has changed that much. I am glad he is enjoying them, I wish it were on better terms.

Well, hang on. Which was the correct climate? At various times, the planet has apparently completely encased itself in ice and then thawed itself out. According to the climate historian Scotese, the average temperature has varied between 10C and 25C for two billion years. "Recently" it's been about as cold as it ever gets. Is it actually sad that it's warming up? What was it supposed to do, stay cold forever or get e…

The "correct" climate is one that isn't changing so fast that we'll need to globally rethink the logistics of food production. It's one that does not include being in the middle of an extinction event.

Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

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> This does not conflict with trying to slow it. It can, though, so we need to be super careful. It's basic human social dynamics: once someone starts making money from mitigating a problem, they become invested in perpetuating (or even worsening) the problem. When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade. But when your lemonade stand starts raking in serious cash, you suddenly want to make sure everyone is being giv…

this can be said about pretty much everything

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Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

#106
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I have to remind myself that Life will survive climate change. Humans may not but Life will. I really find it so crushingly bleak at times. I know that nature is cruel and indifferent. And that's sort of attaching intent rather than it being more just what it is, a product of physics. There's going to be some rough years ahead.

I hope each intelligent civ doesn't make the same mistake until the sun starts growing into a red giant.

Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

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That's pretty sad - that the climate has changed that much. I am glad he is enjoying them, I wish it were on better terms.

Well, hang on. Which was the correct climate? At various times, the planet has apparently completely encased itself in ice and then thawed itself out. According to the climate historian Scotese, the average temperature has varied between 10C and 25C for two billion years. "Recently" it's been about as cold as it ever gets. Is it actually sad that it's warming up? What was it supposed to do, stay cold forever or get e…

The “correct” climate is the one human civilization is adapted to.

Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty sad - that the climate has changed that much. I am glad he is enjoying them, I wish it were on better terms.

Well, hang on. Which was the correct climate? At various times, the planet has apparently completely encased itself in ice and then thawed itself out. According to the climate historian Scotese, the average temperature has varied between 10C and 25C for two billion years. "Recently" it's been about as cold as it ever gets. Is it actually sad that it's warming up? What was it supposed to do, stay cold forever or get e…

You reply better than I could have but my reply was going to be in similar terms. Thank you. Your view represents me. What is the correct thing? What the media bombs us with all the time?

I think I have many reasons to not find media scientific enough to give a hell about them. These problems are difficult, take a lot of research and still, predictions are really difficult. But even if you have them, you still need to know the real causes. And even if that, humans are well-known for adapting well to the environment.

However, we have this fatalist attitude and willingness of people to impose rules to everyone even if we do not know what the right strategy could be.

Of course many ppl live from this stuff so they just use it as their business and take the rest for idiots.

Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

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> For example, Tomato growers keep co2 levels greater than 1500 ppm in their greenhouses and their tomatoes are very nutricious. I would expect because the greenhouse environment (and scale) lets them have much better control over the plant's intake requirements (also likely better oversight). That would not be an easy thing to manage in fields. It's like comparing a small group of professional athletes with an entir…

A plant in the field can only take advantage of the extra co2 if there is adequate inputs but it does not do the plant harm if not. It would be like giving a city as much food as they want irrespective of individual need.

and temperature.. without the warmth you guys are so scared of there would be no life

Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

#110
Sorry for being off topic here:

I get pushback on this opinion from my friends, so I expect this to be an unpopular opinion here also: the cost of meat should be priced to also cover external costs of water and harm to the environment.

I enjoy a steak once or twice a month, so I am not talking from a vegan-purity perspective. I think that there should be a tax on meat that directly supported research and infrastructure for water and energy efficient farming, lower cost desalinization, etc.

Also, some types of legumes, vegetables, etc. are much more water efficient than others. In some ways I think that “meat hurting the environment deniers” are even a little worse than climate change deniers because industrial meat production hits chaotic climate change and water resources.

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