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The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #98
bufferoverflow wrote: post #81

It's interesting to see the comments from people who supported Youtube/Twitter/FB/Patreon/Visa political censorship, but are suddenly against the porn censorship by the payment same systems. "Rules for thee, but not for me."

A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy, I’m confused why you would interpolate the two. It is just more fuel for the argument that America has always been so uncomfortable and Puritan with sex and way too comfortable with violence.

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Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by treis »

danaris wrote: post #69
treis wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not pearl clutching church goers enforcing their morality on everyone. They're concerned about real objective harm like revenge porn, videos of sexual assault, leaked videos, child porn, and so on.

No, they're concerned about "real objective harm" to their business —like the fundamentalist/evangelical Protestant churches in the US collectively deciding to target them (in various ways) because said churches think they're the arbiters of an absolute morality that decrees that taking pleasure in sex is a sin. The things you mention are 100% policeable separate from porn production in general.

>The things you mention are 100% policeable separate from porn production in general.

Yes, and that's what banks are asking porn producers to do. To implement policies and procedures to ensure that those types of videos aren't on their site.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by toomuchtodo »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #81

It's interesting to see the comments from people who supported Youtube/Twitter/FB/Patreon/Visa political censorship, but are suddenly against the porn censorship by the payment same systems. "Rules for thee, but not for me."

Payments are like water and electricity, utilities, and should be regulated as such. If you’re not breaking the law, interfering with legal payments should be a sanctionable offense by regulators. Social platforms are not utilities, nor is my blog and its comment section.

This speaks to the need for censor proof payments systems that can still accommodate KYC and AML requirements (so you’re not violating financial regs and end up closing up shop). Stablecoins perhaps? I leave that to the domain experts.

TLDR Disintermediate legacy payment systems without breaking the law.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by cblconfederate »

I believe central-bank digital currencies will solve this problem if they offer transactions that are guaranteed anonymous, unless there is some kind of law enforcement warrant to inspect them. This will be a much more sane and accountable system than the robber baron system of unaccountable gatekeepers.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by jsiepkes »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #98
bufferoverflow wrote: post #81

It's interesting to see the comments from people who supported Youtube/Twitter/FB/Patreon/Visa political censorship, but are suddenly against the porn censorship by the payment same systems. "Rules for thee, but not for me."

A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy, I’m confused why you would interpolate the two. It is just more fuel for the argument that America has always been so uncomfortable and Puritan with sex and way too comfortable with violence.

> A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy

That comparison doesn't work because calling to storm the Whitehouse is calling on people to perform an illegal act which is illegal by itself. I think everyone is in agreement that platforms should remove content that is illegal.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by PeterisP »

the-dude wrote: post #88
Guillaume86 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like you conveniently forgot the word "organisations".

Why does that matter?

There is a big difference between cutting off financial services for organizations and people; in general, in business-to-business relations organizations are free to serve only whom they wish, but individuals (unlike organizations) deserve protection from discrimination, and having access to core banking services is considered an important right for individuals in EU.

Dutch banks denying accounts to someone because they are a conspiracy nut would be big news; even someone who's declared bankruptcy and is currently sitting in jail after being convicted for fraud would have the right to a basic bank account.

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Post by Smashure »

anon19876 wrote: post #45
PixelOfDeath wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the influence of the "Christian Taliban" in the ranks of the US government gets underestimated.

Ah, yes, the “Christian Taliban” that is beheading those that disagree with it in broad daylight and broadcasting those beheadings to the rest of the world. Here’s a tip: if you want to be persuasive, try using a little less hyperbole. There may be a point to be made here about the influence of organized religion on U.S. laws, but you’re alienating even those who would be willing to listen to your point by drawing su…

I see someone already put a link up, but extremism is extremism and the Christian extremism in the U.S. parallels Islamic extremism quite a bit. Including openly murdering those you disagree with.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by freemint »

the-dude wrote: post #88
Guillaume86 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like you conveniently forgot the word "organisations".

Why does that matter?

Because organizations can be refounded, desolved while humans can't be. An organization is a vehicle for purpose. Humans aren't a vehicles for a purpose.
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