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The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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My understanding is that banks don't really care about sex. At least the one I worked for didn't seem to care. They will take all the money they can get. The more they have, the more they can lend out based on the fractional reserve system. They do care if people are not investing money in their banks and there are investors that don't wish to be associated with adult related organizations. Perhaps there is a way to…

Are chargeback rates higher for porn businesses? If so, that alone could be a reason to stop servicing them.

Price it into their fees.

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So do I have to be THAT guy? Fine. Crypto solves this issue...

It really doesn't. Crypto solves anonymity, making it possible for operations to take payments in ways that can't be regulated based on content. It doesn't solve trust. In fact existing solutions fall way, way, short of what consumers already have. A provider that accepts crypto is 100% unaccountable. You can't do a chargeback on Bitcoin. You get what you get once you make that payment. Now, it's true that there is a…

What does this have to do with trust? Clearly the current users trust OnlyFans, and I doubt very many people are worried they’re going to disappear in the middle of the night and turn off the porn.

“Yeah I’ll throw $50 into this OnlyFans subscription, but only if I can get a chargeback if I’m not happy with the performer” said nobody ever.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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The reason the banks, and through the banks OnlyFans, attack sex is because they are accountable, and don't wish to take risks unless they are very profitable risks. The real danger of platforms and banks is how happy they are to censor for the government, or simply the loudest, richest mouth, in order to keep the profit flowing. If you want to fix it, you put in legal protections for people to do business, rather th…

The issue is that the banks all move in lock step, undermining the basic principle of the free market. If one bank decides it doesn’t want to deal with porn, fine. But when all the banks decide that, that’s very very bad. The cumulative effect is a chilling of protected speech in a way that congress could never legally get away with.

This doesn't undermine the basic principle of the free market, people are just now learning about unintended consequences of the free market.

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The decision was reversed due to public pressure, so how unaccountable are they, really? And even before that, the decision was made because they were afraid of public opinion. Otherwise, it doesn’t make sense to refuse to do business that generates revenue. The credit card companies’ puritanical values are a reflection of what they think public opinion, among the public that matters to them, is. They were wrong, or…

The fact that they have the option to make this decision is the problem - a payment system _should not_ have the option to cut someone off, without a warrant from a court.

This isn't allowed for utilities, why not the same for payment systems?

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Agreed, the article goes to the wrong place. The real cause is that most organizations (government, financial institutions, media conglomerates, etc.) are largely controlled by old rich white guys and they don't like people doing things. They are the ones pushing their "morality". We need more diverse and younger people in these positions to evolve our culture more quickly.

They're not pearl clutching church goers enforcing their morality on everyone. They're concerned about real objective harm like revenge porn, videos of sexual assault, leaked videos, child porn, and so on.

Not really. They are more concerned about government cracking down on the banks due to these acts.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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The reason the banks, and through the banks OnlyFans, attack sex is because they are accountable, and don't wish to take risks unless they are very profitable risks. The real danger of platforms and banks is how happy they are to censor for the government, or simply the loudest, richest mouth, in order to keep the profit flowing. If you want to fix it, you put in legal protections for people to do business, rather th…

I have to ask. Who is going to hold banks responsible for their role as just a payment gateway and not the actual people involved or the service? This is like saying banks are responsible for a drug mafia using a laundromat for "money washing" by using sales proceeds of a laundromat depositing into the said bank and sending it away.

The government will. This is the basis of Know Your Customer laws.

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These people, especially in porn, live by impulsive spending (buying the subscription, sending tips). The high delay and extremely large sign-up burden [0], combined with the fees, would probably ruin a lot of their income. Remember, they compete with a free offering. [0] Most people don't own crypto yet, so they'd need to learn about it, create an exchange account, verify it, fill it up and then they can pay. Compar…

CC also went through a similar transformation that crypto would have to. The problem is that noone wants to take the risk to transform crypto into as convenient a service as credit cards, when credit cards have such a first-mover advantage.

Many companies do want to solve that problem, but they’re hampered by the conventional financial system which really doesn’t like interfacing with anything crypto related.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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So do I have to be THAT guy? Fine. Crypto solves this issue...

Don't checks and other payment mechanisms also solve this problem? Obviously not as conveniently as Mastercard or Visa, but it is disingenuous to assert that credit cards have a monopoly on payments.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, the article goes to the wrong place. The real cause is that most organizations (government, financial institutions, media conglomerates, etc.) are largely controlled by old rich white guys and they don't like people doing things. They are the ones pushing their "morality". We need more diverse and younger people in these positions to evolve our culture more quickly.

They're not pearl clutching church goers enforcing their morality on everyone. They're concerned about real objective harm like revenge porn, videos of sexual assault, leaked videos, child porn, and so on.

No, they're concerned about "real objective harm" to their business—like the fundamentalist/evangelical Protestant churches in the US collectively deciding to target them (in various ways) because said churches think they're the arbiters of an absolute morality that decrees that taking pleasure in sex is a sin.

The things you mention are 100% policeable separate from porn production in general.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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As far as I was aware, the main reason banks don't want to deal with porn is the huge rate of chargebacks that occur. Post nut clarity is apparently a financial problem.

Post nut clarity will not suddenly come into effect beginning October 1 2021.
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