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Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

#61

What's worst if even if I disable everything, I will find that some app will turn on iCloud sync by default at a later date without me knowing. I have to constantly check the settings to make sure nothing is syncing without my permission.

Yes, happened many times on my and my mom's iPad / iPhone too.

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

#62

My iCloud has been full for years, I never got more space. Keeps my newer files safe I guess!

There are 2 iClouds - one where you store your files, and one where Apple stores all the data that it has collected on you from your device.

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

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post #36

I wondered what was doing it!!!! Thank you for explaining. I don’t use iCloud and always turn the sync off but once in a while I see the toggles on again it’s so frustrating. I also help some elderly with their iPhones and had setup iTunes backup to their iMacs, but every time I go to fix something the toggles are all on again. For one of them, they somehow enabled purchasing extra iCloud space so now they pay when t…

> they somehow enabled purchasing extra iCloud space so now they pay when they didn’t need to

> Is it so hard to comprehend?

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

#64

My iCloud has been full for years, I never got more space. Keeps my newer files safe I guess!

i was just wondering/thinking if this was a viable path.

Create a 5Gb (or whatever the default storage allocation is) file from /dev/zero and max out iCloud.

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

#65

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> Why would you claim this? There are no limitations on web browsers. All browsers on iOS must use the WebKit browser engine making them, in essence, safari clones with a different look and feel.

They say “the Apple” While it’s true for ios, “the Apple” also makes macos, where you can freely pick your browser

They say "There are no limitations on web browsers.", while on iOS, there are clearly some limitations on web browsers. It doesn't matter that there also exists another platform where that statement may apply; the statement was generic and itself made no distinction.

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

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I don't really assume malicious intent here - this is presumably "caching" the current unsaved changes on the cloud in case your application crashes or something. But the fact that it's not obvious at all is a major problem. There's also no way to selectively disable this behavior - if you want to use iCloud Drive for some documents you need to put up with this.

You can just cache activity to a local duplicate file. It's not a new idea. There's no reason to do it on the cloud.

In fact, doing it on the cloud for a local file is a really bad idea. Some of us use our phones in areas with poor connectivity.

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

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post #37

I have a Basic iOS Hardening MDM profile which disables iCloud Backup, ad tracking identifier, etc that I deploy on all my iOS devices the moment I set them up.

Can you productise that? It sounds appealing!

I guess one could productize that but not sure if the market is big enough to simplify the process even further without getting into full enterprise MDM business. If you got a Mac, the productization is called Apple Configurator 2.

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

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> I don't really assume malicious intent here - this is presumably "caching" This doesn't seem like thinking critically. Do you not imagine that Apple, the size they are, with all their lawyers take a decision like this seriously? It's not like a developer unilaterally decided that they were going to make this as a feature without levels of management and execs deciding that this was okay. Assuming incompetence rathe…

Do you really imagine that there is any kind of oversight on development like this? Levels of management getting involved in some random feature? Very unrealistic. The requirement said to not lose the customers work. Everything else was on the development team most likely.

There are narrow areas where incompetence could explain Apple's failures. There are others that I don't buy, after the incident where non-Apple branded devices were intentionally made to work degraded in a plausibly innocent way by memo decree. With privacy being such a high differentiator, allowing iCloud to be used arbitrarily for any feature without oversight assumes gross incompetence at all levels.
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