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Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

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Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

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Post by Nextgrid »

Geee wrote: post #17
Nextgrid wrote: post #9

Something even more dangerous, if you have iCloud Drive enabled and open a (non-cloud) file in Numbers or Pages it'll save a copy in iCloud while you're editing it - it deletes it when you close it so you might even notice unless you go into iCloud on the web and check recently deleted files.

Wow, that's straight up espionage. I bet they don't even delete the files, but just hide them from you.

I don't really assume malicious intent here - this is presumably "caching" the current unsaved changes on the cloud in case your application crashes or something. But the fact that it's not obvious at all is a major problem. There's also no way to selectively disable this behavior - if you want to use iCloud Drive for some documents you need to put up with this.

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

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Post by Grustaf »

demarq wrote: post #28
Grustaf wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Even the reddit posts doesn't claim that 2. Do you think Apple would put the screenshots in the Photos app if they were taking them in order to spy on you?

> to spy on you You made that leap yourself. I'm not pointing out a grand conspiracy, I'm pointing out another another gap in Apples privacy model. > Even the reddit posts doesn't claim that That is literally the entire post. But okay

No, he's saying that if you enable it, you'll end up with a lot of screenshots. There is no implication that they were not triggered by a tap. He even says "accidentally being triggered constantly".

Yes I did make the leap, because it doesn't seem like a relevant issue if it's not done on purpose by Apple.

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

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Post by kypro »

danuker wrote: post #2

This is particularly troubling in light of their CSAM detection. "Before an image is stored in iCloud Photos, an on-device matching process is performed for that image against the known CSAM hashes." You do not own an Apple device that you buy. https://www.macworld.com/article/352875/ios-15-csam-scanning...

Is there any good reason to take Apple on their word that all their scanning for is CSAM? How certain can we be that they're not already using this technology secretly to look for other types of content when the government asks? I doubt they're going to announce every time the government requests they add detection for a new Pepe frog meme and other "far-right" content, and it seems almost inevitable governments will want them to do something like this at some point, if not already.

I feel like we're giving Apple too much trust by labelling this CSAM detection. In reality the technology can (and probably will) be used to detect anything they want to.

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

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Post by Grustaf »

caddybox wrote: post #14
Grustaf wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The damn thing doesn't even have a web browser that isn't safari. Why would you claim this? There are no limitations on web browsers.

> Why would you claim this? There are no limitations on web browsers. All browsers on iOS must use the WebKit browser engine making them, in essence, safari clones with a different look and feel.

OK, so "no limitations" wasn't correct. But still, you can use chrome on ios, you get all the ui and behaviours you are used to, no?

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

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Post by ssss11 »

I wondered what was doing it!!!! Thank you for explaining.

I don’t use iCloud and always turn the sync off but once in a while I see the toggles on again it’s so frustrating.

I also help some elderly with their iPhones and had setup iTunes backup to their iMacs, but every time I go to fix something the toggles are all on again. For one of them, they somehow enabled purchasing extra iCloud space so now they pay when they didn’t need to, and I don’t have the time to go through and figure out how to turn it off while also ensuring they keep all their photos.

If a user chooses to configure something in a certain way the vendor should not change that. Is it so hard to comprehend?

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

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Post by zapzupnz »

Grustaf wrote: post #35
caddybox wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why would you claim this? There are no limitations on web browsers. All browsers on iOS must use the WebKit browser engine making them, in essence, safari clones with a different look and feel.

OK, so "no limitations" wasn't correct. But still, you can use chrome on ios, you get all the ui and behaviours you are used to, no?

No support for Chrome extensions. Not even support for Safari Web Extensions bundled with iOS apps.

Some browsers do have their own extensions (Edge has AdBlock Plus built-in, but that's all; iCab has quite a few Javascript-based extensions) and of course you get things like using another vendor's bookmark and password sync. But that's about it.

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

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Post by ssss11 »

new_realist wrote: post #16

Is Apple’s sin, here, assuming that when you sign into iCloud, you want to use iCloud?

There’s plenty of things you need to sign in to do other than sync.

For instance updating your payment info or your account info (name etc)

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