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The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started
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Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started
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Then they ran tests on samples taken between January 2018 and December 2019 and found the presence of the virus genome in one of them, collected on March 12, 2019. “The levels of SARS-CoV-2 were low but were positive,” research leader Albert Bosch was quoted as saying by the university. quote must have been taken out of context for propaganda purposes
From comments, and look at the actual study [1] I have 4 Points 1. No additional verification has been found since, leading to the probability that it was a false positive 2. The researches final paper and subsequent research only talks about finding indicators after Jan 2020 3. The original March 2019 only had 2 of 5 indicators, and seemed to be a data anomaly we should not be writing sensationalist news stories on…
On that same note I see you desperately want to believe it started in China.
Maybe If you don't like the Spain results, Italy ones a few months before Wuhan will be more to your taste? https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-tim...
Edit: Forgot to mention one thing. I don't care about either China or US. They are both just as bad as far as I'm concerned. Different faces of totalitarianism.
Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started
#133why does the world need a proper investigation into that? Sometimes it seems to me that it’s just because we want someone to blame. Not because it would actually help anyone.
If there aren’t ever any consequences to making huge mistakes that kill millions of people, what are the incentives in the future to not do it again? The CCP knowingly hid information about infections. This whole thing could have been contained in China with the right information at the right time. If it was a lab accident that could be avoided in the future too with better protocols. I’m baffled that after millions…
> The CCP knowingly hid information about infections. This whole thing could have been contained in China with the right information at the right time.
This can and should be investigated and dealt with on it's own, irrelevant to if the source was a lab or natural causes.
My theory has always been that if you look at what was happening with China on a world stage at the time of the outbreak, HK protests, building military bases on atolls, Uyghur Camps, perhaps more. China was in a pretty bad place.
Then along comes this virus, and I'm sure they were like "oh crap, lets not bring any more attention to ourselves, maybe this will all just go away". Of course, it didn't. It was 100x worse than they probably imagined.
CCP screwed up massively. Was the screw up in a lab or not is secondary. They had the opportunity to stop it, but they didn't. That's the breakdown that needs to be discussed. I don't think that is a breakdown that is as politically charged or questionable.
Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started
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All the more reason to piss them off and ween off our addiction to disposable junk and sweatshop priced labor. Given the impact to the world we all should be asking difficult questions.
You mean capitalists’ addiction to profit. Double my wage, I’ll buy made in the UK/EU much more often.
>Double my wage, I’ll buy made in the UK/EU much more often.
Sounds like you're suggesting that made in UK/EU is too expensive, and if only people were paid enough they would be buying local. Is there any evidence that's actually the case? Do SV engineers, doctors, and lawyers buy US made goods significantly more than anyone else?
Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started
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Possibly the scariest thing I see at the moment; 'we can't say/do that as it will give fuel to the anti-vaxers '. Antivaxers will just make shit up - properly exploring the science is not strengthening their argument, refusing to do so is strengthening their argument.
I'm pro vax. I think this vaccine is worth the risk but this is the highest risk vaccine we've had in a long time and that part of the equation is getting swept under the rug.
What’s crazy to me is there’s still no inactive virus, normal vaccine option in the Western world.
Ok - if you’re going to ban me from restaurants, gyms and events, if you’re going to make me lose my job… but I’m willing to take a normal vaccine like Sinopharm why not just approve that? Why not let me import that vaccine for $10k so I could save my job? Or even better let me prove I have better protection than vaccinated because I had prior infection. That proof is also meaningless because the vaccine is somehow magical - even though there are a ton of breakthrough cases and boosters will be needed after 8 months.
Give people alternatives if they don’t trust RNA. Is that too much to ask? Apparently yes it is - to whoever really runs the US Gov.
Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started
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>>We are too dependent on China to piss them off, That seems to be a problem... No? Maybe we should be pushing our political and business leaders to fix that. If a nation.. openly hostile to our interests is able to cause a worldwide pandemic that no one can investigate because it might upset that nations feefee's. That imo is much bigger problem than the pandemic itself
> a nation.. openly hostile to our interests What interests of ours is China openly hostile to?
Democracy, freedom, individual rights.
Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started
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Slightly torn on this. Surely it would be good to understand it better so that it might be recognised earlier next time. However the world’s mostly shambolic response is probably the better focus for inquiry. Can’t help feeling that the former issue is being used as a smokescreen for the latter.
> Can’t help feeling that the former issue is being used as a smokescreen for the latter. It certainly looks that way. Given pandemics are a naturally occuring event, the origin of the event itself doesnt excuse the breakdowns in government, policy and to a certain extent personal human behaviour. It is not promisiong as there were precedents and plans in place, but we learnt nothing from inquiries into past pandemic…
The flu killed an estimated 50 million people in 1918, which if it was in current times would be about 250 million. People always get mad when others say it is just like the flu, but actually the flu has had way worse outbreaks than covid.
Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started
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Why does the origin story matter, outside of political motivations? If we knew 100% how it came into being, what specific information does that give us that helps the world eradicate it, or deal with future pandemics? The whole "lab leak investigation" is a political side show attempt to distract people away from the real question, which is how did almost every country on earth utterly fail to control the spread and…
Are you kidding? Of course the origin story of COVID matters, enormously. Knowing where a virus originated and whether it leaked from a lab accident or came to us through a natural cross-over is enormously important for clinical reasons and in the case of this vast global pandemic, for simple historical reasons of firmly establishing what happened and how right down to the first sequence of events. In no way is wanti…
Is important for historians? How would it be important for "clinical reasons"?
Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-... Coronavirus traces found in March 2019 sewage sample, Spanish study shows
Funny they only find it now and not earlier. Do the researchers or the university happen to have a significant connection to China?
China pays to win obv
Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started
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Are you kidding? Of course the origin story of COVID matters, enormously. Knowing where a virus originated and whether it leaked from a lab accident or came to us through a natural cross-over is enormously important for clinical reasons and in the case of this vast global pandemic, for simple historical reasons of firmly establishing what happened and how right down to the first sequence of events. In no way is wanti…
Is important for historians? How would it be important for "clinical reasons"?
If it's a lab, changing lab security and safety procedures would seem pretty important.