Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Post by prostoalex » Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 7:11 PM UTC

mdasen wrote: post #31

Maybe I'm weird, but I feel like range anxiety is overblown. Most people don't go that far in a day and while recharging isn't instant, it's getting quite fast. Back in the day, it was easy to be bored. That was so little to distract you while waiting. Now, I have a smartphone with me all the time. Even when I'm home, half the time I'm on my smartphone by choice. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but it's so much easier to…

It's more of charging availability anxiety.

Typical EV user case involves a homeowner with a charger in the garage. Worse comes to worst, you can always plug the car overnight.

But someone like a student, who lives in a rental, might experience difficulty keeping their car consistently charged.

Even when public chargers are nominally available, they might be inoperable, used by others, or just taken up by a non-EV taking up a convenient parking spot (which, according to EV owner groups, happens frequently).

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Post by oh_sigh » Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 8:14 PM UTC

twobitshifter wrote: post #27

I’m surprised by the number of model Ys I see. I think it’s Tesla’s least flattering vehicle and the price when optioned is comparable to the model S. Maybe, it’s the fact that it’s a crossover, but the model X in comparison is a ghost. Any ideas on why people seem to love the Y more than the other Tesla models?

Not sure what you're talking about with regards to the price being similar.

The base Model S is $90k and the base Model Y is $53k. That's a big difference.

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Post by akmarinov » Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 8:17 PM UTC

timdorr wrote: post #6

The current Model Y already gets 594km of range: https://www.tesla.cn/modely This would only be a 8% increase.

Well the new one would have about 100 Wh of battery - how much does the current one have?

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Post by akmarinov » Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 8:18 PM UTC

RototRobot wrote: post #9

I guess I just dont understand but the Model S long range is 652km and Model X is 580km, doesn't this just fall inline with what they can already do?

Well those are at least $90k, the Y is about half that.

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Post by mlac » Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 8:24 PM UTC

cogman10 wrote: post #52

mlac wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with your last point. I don’t own a truck because I can rent an 8 foot bed truck at uhaul for But range “anxiety” (concern?) has stopped me from buying an electric car so far (though the next one will be). Your first example doesn’t account for variance, charging where you wind up, and fluctuations in demand. Most people travel on busy travel days. So this could be a problem if I’m going to the beach on a Sat…

> Most people travel on busy travel days. So this could be a problem if I’m going to the beach on a Saturday. In my experience, I've only had to wait to charge once. There are generally more than enough chargers for weekends. It's holidays you have to watch out for. > Now I arrive at the beach house and I either can only slow charge or need to find a charger. 24 hours of charging will fill up most EV to 100%. Most EV…

Agreed, but I think it’s going to be a mess in the next couple years when ford starts shipping the lightning. There are going to be way more trucks than chargers to handle them for long trips. Practically that doesn’t make a difference (and I’d probably take my gas vehicle for long road trips).

And slow charging works at the vacation spot, unless you’re at a condo / parking garage without power outlets. It’s just enough inconvenience (with fairly significant consequences if you run out of charge [half day of vacation waster]) to make it less practical right now as a single car solution.

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Post by akmarinov » Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 8:37 PM UTC

yunohn wrote: post #11

akerl_ wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They keep saying they’re pulling ahead of everyone else. But as the owner of a Model 3, with a deposit in for a Cybertruck, all I’ve seen materialize in the last year are “cold weather improvements”. The hype is accelerating but the actual production offerings aren’t keeping pace.

Who are you comparing them to? That’s missing from your critique.

I mean look at the BMW i4 - it starts at around $58k, same as a Model 3 Performance - it has less range, slower 0-60 and it's RWD.

If you want to somewhat match the Model 3, you have to add $1000 for heated steering wheel, comfort access and expanded storage, another $3000 for wireless charging, autopilot alternative, another $500 for parking assist (though BMW's actually works), etc and it adds up to quite a bit just to match what you get for free in the Model 3.

Of course BMWs have higher quality pretty much everywhere and have more options like a sunroof, etc

In the end do people want to pay less to have more range and a quicker car, but less quality or more quality for less range and a slower car.

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Post by cogman10 » Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 8:38 PM UTC

mlac wrote: post #65

cogman10 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most people travel on busy travel days. So this could be a problem if I’m going to the beach on a Saturday. In my experience, I've only had to wait to charge once. There are generally more than enough chargers for weekends. It's holidays you have to watch out for. > Now I arrive at the beach house and I either can only slow charge or need to find a charger. 24 hours of charging will fill up most EV to 100%. Most EV…

Agreed, but I think it’s going to be a mess in the next couple years when ford starts shipping the lightning. There are going to be way more trucks than chargers to handle them for long trips. Practically that doesn’t make a difference (and I’d probably take my gas vehicle for long road trips). And slow charging works at the vacation spot, unless you’re at a condo / parking garage without power outlets. It’s just eno…

> Agreed, but I think it’s going to be a mess in the next couple years when ford starts shipping the lightning.

Agreed there. The lightning is going to sell like hotcakes. I only hope ford starts investing in charge networks.

This won't really affect tesla's, but it will put a lot of strain on these smaller networks.

> And slow charging works at the vacation spot, unless you’re at a condo / parking garage without power outlets. It’s just enough inconvenience (with fairly significant consequences if you run out of charge [half day of vacation waster]) to make it less practical right now as a single car solution.

Personally, I plan my lodging around EV chargers. Though, I'd be the first to say that sometimes there's not enough chargers for everyone that wants to charge.

My hope is that as time goes on, we'll see bigger expansion of L2 chargers. It's something that I believe more EV adoption will drive more L2 deployment.