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Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Post by mdasen »

Maybe I'm weird, but I feel like range anxiety is overblown. Most people don't go that far in a day and while recharging isn't instant, it's getting quite fast. Back in the day, it was easy to be bored. That was so little to distract you while waiting. Now, I have a smartphone with me all the time. Even when I'm home, half the time I'm on my smartphone by choice. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but it's so much easier to wait half an hour. Get a drink and a snack, derp around on my phone, etc.

If I'm doing Boston -> DC via Tesla Model 3 Long Range, it'll add two stops for 20 minutes and 25 minutes. However, I'm going to have to stop for gas along the way at least once so the 45 minute penalty should maybe be a 30 minute penalty. Realistically, it isn't a bad thing to stop a couple times, get drinks/snacks, stretch my legs, etc. It feels like it's a 5% penalty which just doesn't seem significant for something people rarely do.

I think some of it is the psychology that a 20 minute stop feels like a real stop while a 5 minute stop doesn't feel like a real stop. Even if you spend 10 minutes in the convenience shop or get lunch, that's your "choice" rather than the car's need. A lot of gas stops are longer than 5 minutes on road trips.

I think people buy cars for things they almost never do - and have a weird hate of themselves if their car can't accommodate something. I had a friend whose car couldn't fit a piece of furniture and he had to pay $100 to have it delivered. He said that he hated himself for not buying the larger (and $5,000 more expensive) vehicle he was also considering the three times this had happened. In my mind, that's not something to regret. You've come out $4,700 ahead! Yes, sometimes your car won't accommodate everything and that's ok. Maybe your car will need 5% more time to do Boston to DC, but that's not a big deal in your life.

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Post by yunohn »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #30
yunohn wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The progress for your situation might be zero. But every day, there’s new Teslas being shipped and people finding more value in it than competing EVs. That is “pulling ahead”.

That's a pretty weird statement - by that logic all major companies are pulling ahead since they're all selling units.

Are they also selling EVs? Are they delivering valuable features?

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Post by akerl_ »

yunohn wrote: post #32
mupuff1234 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a pretty weird statement - by that logic all major companies are pulling ahead since they're all selling units.

Are they also selling EVs? Are they delivering valuable features?

Why is it only “pulling ahead” if I sell EVs?

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

#34

Post by fastaguy88 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #17
nicoburns wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the vast majority of trips are done relatively locally and with a home charger Surely this depends on your use case. This is likely true if you use your car to commute, or you live in a rural area so you need to use a car to go shopping. But not everybody uses a car for those things, and you've just listed a bunch of use-cases where the range would be useful. This an option that those who do need it can opt into, wh…

If current EVs don’t support your use case, your use case is in the minority. Average daily round trip commute in the US is ~32 miles. You’re never further than 100 miles between Superchargers in almost the entire country, and that will only improve as governments support rapid charging station deployments. If you’re hauling horse trailers or routinely commuting 150+ miles in a day, sure, EVs don’t meet your needs ye…

Here in northern Montana, there are no super chargers anywhere except on interstates, and more than 75% of the state is more than 100 miles from an interstate. Same for the Dakotas, Wyoming, and Nebraska. 100 miles may be true weighted by population, but it is certainly not true by area between the Mississippi and the west coast.

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Post by p49k »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #29
p49k wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US use case doesn’t represent the world, and doesn’t resemble the majority of the EV market. Even in the US, not everyone is a homeowner with a dedicated port as the OP suggests. Personally, if I switched to an EV I’d be jockeying every evening for one of the ~50 public charging spots in my neighborhood, which are already mostly occupied.

Are you saying installing more EV chargers can’t be solved? I know folks who charge once per week at a Supercharger for 20 min if they can’t charge at home, or their employer offers charging.

Of course it can and will be solved; I'm rebutting the idea that these issues aren't a problem today for most people, based on the assumption that the typical use case is a US suburban household.

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Post by mlac »

mdasen wrote: post #31

Maybe I'm weird, but I feel like range anxiety is overblown. Most people don't go that far in a day and while recharging isn't instant, it's getting quite fast. Back in the day, it was easy to be bored. That was so little to distract you while waiting. Now, I have a smartphone with me all the time. Even when I'm home, half the time I'm on my smartphone by choice. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but it's so much easier to…

I agree with your last point. I don’t own a truck because I can rent an 8 foot bed truck at uhaul for But range “anxiety” (concern?) has stopped me from buying an electric car so far (though the next one will be).

Your first example doesn’t account for variance, charging where you wind up, and fluctuations in demand.

Most people travel on busy travel days. So this could be a problem if I’m going to the beach on a Saturday. Suddenly I’m in line behind 3 other cars that drove the same distance to minimize the number of charges they need between my city and the beach. So I now need to wait 1 hour before I can start charging, and I don’t have enough fuel to get to another charger. Now I arrive at the beach house and I either can only slow charge or need to find a charger.

I can also go 500 miles on a tank of gas. That’s one trip without stopping (realistically 250 miles over 3.5 hours of highway driving). That’s right on the edge of charging, and then it’s making a 3.5 hour trip a 4 hour trip, which makes a difference. That’s an hour out of the weekend.

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Post by toomuchtodo »

fastaguy88 wrote: post #34
toomuchtodo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If current EVs don’t support your use case, your use case is in the minority. Average daily round trip commute in the US is ~32 miles. You’re never further than 100 miles between Superchargers in almost the entire country, and that will only improve as governments support rapid charging station deployments. If you’re hauling horse trailers or routinely commuting 150+ miles in a day, sure, EVs don’t meet your needs ye…

Here in northern Montana, there are no super chargers anywhere except on interstates, and more than 75% of the state is more than 100 miles from an interstate. Same for the Dakotas, Wyoming, and Nebraska. 100 miles may be true weighted by population, but it is certainly not true by area between the Mississippi and the west coast.

It’s taken $600 million and 10 years for Tesla to mostly cover the developed world. Give it another year or two for the most rural areas to get coverage. Most of the country lives outside of Montana, the Dakotas, Wyoming, and Nebraska.

Remember, we’re talking the majority of people, not the long tail.

https://supercharge.info/map

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Post by dan-robertson »

mdasen wrote: post #31

Maybe I'm weird, but I feel like range anxiety is overblown. Most people don't go that far in a day and while recharging isn't instant, it's getting quite fast. Back in the day, it was easy to be bored. That was so little to distract you while waiting. Now, I have a smartphone with me all the time. Even when I'm home, half the time I'm on my smartphone by choice. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but it's so much easier to…

I think psychology, cars in the US are connected with independence and liberty in the US rather than just utility. If your car fails to let you be independent (because it can’t do something you only need three times in your life) then maybe that is actually a big failure of its “promise” to give you independence and personal liberty and that therefore decreases your perception of the value of the car by a lot.

I realise this whole argument for pricing the car is ridiculous from a rational standpoint but I think it matters more how it feels to ordinary Americans.

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Post by jungturk »

endymi0n wrote: post #12
paulpauper wrote: post #2

Tesla keeps pulling ahead of everyone else. Never been more optimistic about its prospects

> According to World Harmonized Light Vehicle Test Procedure (WLTP), the Mercedes-Benz EQS will offer a range of 770 kilometers, or roughly 478 miles

*for only $100k to $160k

https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/10/22618661/mercedes-benz-eq...

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Post by yunohn »

akerl_ wrote: post #33
yunohn wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they also selling EVs? Are they delivering valuable features?

Why is it only “pulling ahead” if I sell EVs?

Why are you comparing apples to oranges? Would it be meaningful to compare a diesel truck company with a jet fuel plane manufacturer?
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