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The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Same. My breakthrough infection lasted over a week. Nothing serious, but definitely very infectious, so I self quarantined. I’ve had minimal social contact and just about avoided COVID the original, so it was surprising how quickly I caught Delta after it became dominant.

Sick for a week despite being vaccinated?

Yep. Despite 2 shots of Pfizer, the second of which was in early May.

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Anyything that makes your immune system work properly will help, the reason Covid is even a subject is that there is a silent epidemic of immunocompromised people, a large number of which are unaware that they are - the kind of people who routinely get sick in the winter, for instance. It's very strange that we are pretending that healthiness doesn't exist or can't be improved. It can, and rather easily and cheaply (…

why does improving vascular function help with dealing with covid? > etiology of Covid is closely linked to vascular health... any links about that? im curious to take a look

If you look up "covid vascular" you'll find plenty of references. Seeing how it affects most people with chronic conditions associated with such problems (hypertension, diabetes), I'm convinced it's a correct assessment.

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Then most masks, by your logic (and not necessarily arguing your logic) aren’t working. The only way to completely seal off your mouth and nose is to wear a more fitted mask. The masks most (probably 99%+) people are wearing are ducting air on either side of the nose. And yes, most masks have the metal piece to help with this, but it doesn’t work. No matter how I adjust the metal piece, air makes its way out. So if w…

A tiny hole in your defense is better than a huge hole. Maybe something like this might work better for you? https://www.benosy.com/#welcome

Again, I’m not claiming they don’t work, the parent is.

I’m simply stating that if they don’t work, the CDC shouldn’t claim that they do.

I’m basically saying that either the parent is wrong, or the CDC is wrong.

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iaIYlcD_Po

This shows that masks aren't perfect, not that they don't help.

Right. After having Covid in April 2020 I developed what appears to be a hypersensitivity to Covid, where I get an allergic reaction when exposed within about 20-30 minutes. It's not pleasant, but I guess you could say I'm a human detector similar to what dogs have been trained for. I can assert that surgical, N-95, and KN95 are not completely effective in my experiences. P-100 masks however have been basically full proof so far. They have been a goto despite being expensive. They can be covered with cloth If you think they look dorky. Another antictode is that there are a lot of weak viral shedders with little or no symptoms out there. During some of the bad months I've inferred it must be around 1/5 to 1/10 people.

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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I hope I am mistaken here, but... are you saying that it would need to kill 1/6th of the population every year (instead of 1/600) before you will consider putting a piece of cloth over your face? What's so terrible about wearing a mask?

You're misdirecting and missing the point entirely. While I'm not quite anti mask like the parent comment, it is an important question to consider, it is always a trade off. What severity warrant what measures? If there's still covid like now in 10 years, will we all have to wear masks at work until we retire? Is this feasible? If not, then when do we stop? Will the people advocating it ever tell us to stop? If not,…

Masks are a new hygiene standard. Do you think the enlightened gentlemen doctors of the age actually set a bar of how many women should die before they began to wash their hands?

They smeared, they waffled, and now they serve as the warning to all of the the terrible, prideful (and filthy) fools who robbed families of their wives, daughters, and mothers over something people today balk at the idea of not doing- washing their hands.

Tacit defense of non-consensual disease transfer costs the arguer nothing to make and hurts others. It's far simpler to enjoy the same benefits of covering your mouth and nose that medical providers have for decades: knowing they are protecting others, whether or not they understand, appreciate, or ask for it.

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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I hope I am mistaken here, but... are you saying that it would need to kill 1/6th of the population every year (instead of 1/600) before you will consider putting a piece of cloth over your face? What's so terrible about wearing a mask?

Wow. I hope you realize how ridiculous that statement is. In the real world, 99.99% at least survives covid. In Sweden 99.995%.

While your are forgetting long COVID, I'll have a go at it.

A lot of people on Sweden are vaccinated.

Hospitals know better on how to handle covid.

As always, the danger comes when hospitals are overpopulated.

Ps. What's the source of your % ? Is it case fatality rate ( CFR ), crude fatality rate or infection fatality rate?

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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That’s quite regional. Nationwide there is still plenty of ICU beds available, and presumably if it gets bad enough hot spots will respond appropriately.

Huh? If you have a heart attack or a stroke or a grave accident you need a regional ER asap, not one 5h away.

By moving people with covid to other states, or importing medical personnel and equipment. Do so aggressively enough and you can keep capacity available.

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Purely anecdotal but I'm double vaccinated (Astra Zeneca) and I caught Covid recently. It was probably Delta as 99% of cases in UK are. I know of quite a few vaccinated friends who've caught it recently too. Mainly AZ I think but one was Pfizer (single jabbed). Anyway, none of us had severe illness although I felt pretty rough for a few days like I had a really bad cold and smell went for a week completely. I was bas…

There’s a question of preferences that too often gets buried in this debate. If Covid becomes endemic at around its current severity, what level of pandemic restrictions are you willing to accept forever? For me personally, Covid would have to be at least 100 times worse before I’d support masking forever. But I get the sense that some people barely see any downside to it. I think these cross-views drive so much if t…

I feel like masking is such an inconsequential restriction in the grand scheme of things. If anything, we probably should just be wearing masks in enclosed spaces all the time anyway.

I for one am perfectly happy to have a mask in between myself and people's nasty sneeze air on the subway, or exhaust from the millions of vehicles on the road (I have masks with replaceable PM2.5 filter inserts), and now I'm grateful that nobody thinks I'm weird for wanting this.

Go play in the dirt if you want germs.

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Source for 1/1000000 death risk for children infected by covid-19 delta variant?

There is no source, if it was true children simply wouldn't have died in numbers high enough to detect so far.

About 400 American children have died with the majority having existing comorbidities. 50% of children have "recovered" from Covid and would already possess some immunity. Certainly its questionable whether 99.9% most kids stand to benefit much from the vaccine anyway.

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Could you please give a scientific explanation of the difference between the most vaccinated country and one of the least vaccinated countries located next to it https://www.google.com/search?q=israel+covid+cases&rlz=1C1CH ... https://www.google.com/search?q=palestine+covid+cases&rlz=1C... ...

I am not an apologist for vaccine utopianism and don't agree with the other commenter but your particular example suffers the same unfortunate fate of a point I made in the past. The scientific explanation is that Google infographics suck. They are sourced from wikipedia data and have huge gaps and sometimes even absurd duplicates. If you look at a consistent data source[0] you will see that the 7-day average case ra…

Thank you! I didn't know about this resource, it's quite helpful! The site makes it possible to compare any two countries on the same graph. That's what I did, but the qualitative effect looks as sharp as in google's graphs. Please take a look https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/palestine?cou...
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