“Single data point observed — is this a trend?”
That describes so many HN articles, though. ;) They are not my favorite either because the curiosity is based on such wild speculation.
First town in America to ban new gas stations
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> Is this really a sacrifice? For many people, yes. > Bigger house means more maintenance, and bigger lot means more mowing. I for one, hate mowing. No one is forcing you to buy a big home with a maintenance burden. Out of respect, don't force other people into buying smaller ones.
That's really sidestepping the issue, isn't it? It's not just about respect and freedom. It's about the externalities created by many people living in large homes.
Not really possible to make much choices, when zoning laws made many things illegal, such as mandating minimum lot size and banning higher density development and so forth.
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#44I don't understand. There has been a gas shortage and waiting lines since the pandemic. Why would you go and outright ban gas stations? If we want less CO2 emissions we have to raise or introduce CO2 prices.
So that more people will switch to electric cars. I have not seen much in the way of lines for gas.
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That's really sidestepping the issue, isn't it? It's not just about respect and freedom. It's about the externalities created by many people living in large homes.
Not really possible to make much choices, when zoning laws made many things illegal, such as mandating minimum lot size and banning higher density development and so forth.
Sure, the world of infinite choice is a fantasy anyway. But even if it weren't, I don't think the argument would be very strong.
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#47as someone who rides a motorcycle this sort of legislation is infuriating. gas stations are food, rest, and a chance to get my bearings with a map. Frankly California's more gilded counties like Sonoma have a perverse incentive to reduce gas stations: it reduces congregation and attendance by the homeless. This feels like the "cashless" argument playing out all over again. Sure, its perhaps easier and more efficient…
I frankly have become very suspicious of arguments that go "poor people who are not me also happen to like this thing I like, so any attempt to curtail it is discriminatory." Is there something about a gas pump that makes poor people more likely to congregate than a similar facility without? An electric charging station, for instance, would presumably be similar and might even be more likely to have places where you…
It is in the category of "Think of the children", "Dats racist" etc.
You just say those words, get an emotional reaction.
Re: First town in America to ban new gas stations
#48as someone who rides a motorcycle this sort of legislation is infuriating. gas stations are food, rest, and a chance to get my bearings with a map. Frankly California's more gilded counties like Sonoma have a perverse incentive to reduce gas stations: it reduces congregation and attendance by the homeless. This feels like the "cashless" argument playing out all over again. Sure, its perhaps easier and more efficient…
Don't worry. Most of the Tesla superchargers in my area are located on the back side of gas stations. Pumps in the front, store in the middle, chargers in the back. I believe in 10 years they will be building gas stations with the chargers in the front, store in the middle, pumps in the back. EV drivers have even more need for someplace to hang out/browse for 10-20 minutes or so. Not everyone wants to sit in their ca…
The law specifically does not ban EV chargers.
Gas stations in general are very polluting, for both the ground and noxious fumes. Because of this, in CA they are already banned 300 ft (~90m) from any sensitive uses like schools or playgrounds, and even then there is evidence that this perimeter is not enough.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
I frankly have become very suspicious of arguments that go "poor people who are not me also happen to like this thing I like, so any attempt to curtail it is discriminatory." Is there something about a gas pump that makes poor people more likely to congregate than a similar facility without? An electric charging station, for instance, would presumably be similar and might even be more likely to have places where you…
Probably that people getting out of their cars is an easy opportunity to ask for cash. Happens all the time to me in LA. It isn't a good reason to keep gas stations arpund, though. (however, i do think there aren't many good reasons besides if America actually embraced clean energy)
Yeah, as you say, I have a hard time accepting giving people panhandling opportunities as a good rationale for a national network of gas stations.
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#50Electric cars are expensive. You need to have money to buy one. By punishing petrol car owners, you are essentially rewarding rich people for having money.
I don't see the problem with rewarding people for CO2 reductions so your argument has a weird and abrupt end to it. Especially since the low end EV and used EV market is growing so your argument is losing its strength with every single year.
The argument should have been that it takes time to transition off petrol cars and poor people need more time to transition so hasty decisions like banning gas stations should only be done in conjunction with policy that speeds up the transition.