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Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

#41

Post by saturn »

palish wrote: post #26
Pointsly wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of the health conclusions - you can't deny the amount of sugar in single cup - absolutely contributes to the obesity we are all facing.

I deny that it contributes to obesity for all people. I believe no one can actually claim people understand nutrition --- in the same way we understand Newtonian physics, for example. I've never cared about what I eat. If I want something, I eat it. When I'm full, I stop. Over the last two years, my weight has stayed between 210lbs and 220lbs. I'm lucky. But I'm also a datapoint. Since some people can simply not care…

No offence, but only an American could make the argument that because their weight has stayed "only" between 95kg and 100kg that they are living proof that people can eat what they want and not get fat.

Unless you are a bodybuilder, which I am guessing you are not since they most certainly do care about what they eat, you are likely considered overweight in every other country on earth.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

#42

Post by wisty »

palish wrote: post #26
Pointsly wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of the health conclusions - you can't deny the amount of sugar in single cup - absolutely contributes to the obesity we are all facing.

I deny that it contributes to obesity for all people. I believe no one can actually claim people understand nutrition --- in the same way we understand Newtonian physics, for example. I've never cared about what I eat. If I want something, I eat it. When I'm full, I stop. Over the last two years, my weight has stayed between 210lbs and 220lbs. I'm lucky. But I'm also a datapoint. Since some people can simply not care…

I doubt the whole "metabolism" thing. 90% of the people I meet with a "gland problem" also drink about half a gallon of Coke every day, and snack on chips or sweets. Maybe they have a super-cream frappacino after work, but don't watch that because it's just a coffee.

They usually have terrible habits, are are in complete denial about how many calories those habits constitute.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

#43

Post by wisty »

saturn wrote: post #41
palish wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I deny that it contributes to obesity for all people. I believe no one can actually claim people understand nutrition --- in the same way we understand Newtonian physics, for example. I've never cared about what I eat. If I want something, I eat it. When I'm full, I stop. Over the last two years, my weight has stayed between 210lbs and 220lbs. I'm lucky. But I'm also a datapoint. Since some people can simply not care…

No offence, but only an American could make the argument that because their weight has stayed "only" between 95kg and 100kg that they are living proof that people can eat what they want and not get fat. Unless you are a bodybuilder, which I am guessing you are not since they most certainly do care about what they eat, you are likely considered overweight in every other country on earth.

I was a similar weight. But being 6 foot 3 helps. A BMI of 26-28 is overweight, it's most people don't really notice. It's also really easy to lose, if you can just cut down a little.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

#44

Post by bfe »

sliverstorm wrote: post #39

Why do I drink juice? Because in the morning on my way out the door, I am unlikely to spend the time eating an orange. Because fresh cranberries are nasty. My own practice to try and avoid extremely fabricated foods: buy the in-house brand. While it will never be 100% pure orange juice squeezed yesterday, they don't have a brand identity to defend, so they seem to engage in fewer food-processing antics.

I stopped drinking juice a few years ago, but had the same annoyance at spending any extra time on complicated foods like oranges in the morning. My solution is I usually eat a handful of fresh strawberries as part of my breakfast - they are denser in vitamin c than oranges, and don't require unwrapping and getting juice all over your hands.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

#45

Post by ak217 »

Jach wrote: post #29
simonsarris wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is cheddar usually orange? I think all of the cheddar I have ever bought in NH and VT is a pale yellow. I'm crazy about cheeses, but the only orange cheeses I've ever seen were all very poor brands, unless I'm forgetting something.

Pictures are helpful. http://www.pepperidgefarm.com/Images/Products/prdLarge_12053... for Cheddar Goldfish, this is what's usually in stores: http://staticc.wisegeek.com/images/calories/calories-in-medi... I (and I suspect most Americans) would never associate something like this with Cheddar Cheese: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Somerset-Cheddar.jpg (or any other pic on the page for that matter, except for "#19"…

Really? Everywhere I've been in the States the amount of white cheddar is roughly equal to colored cheddar, and in the gourmet cheese section there is rarely any colored cheddar.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

#46

Post by watmough »

crikli wrote: post #36
scotch_drinker wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? The author says you're better off eating only food you grow yourself or that you can verify the origins of. I don't think that's an industry lobby's viewpoint.

With respect, it is an industry lobby's viewpoint, and it belongs to the organic food industry. Organic farming is not financially sustainable at scale because the costs of production are far too high. There is a very low ceiling, relatively speaking, to the amount of crops that can be produced. Therefore in order to stay profitable organic food has to be sold at very significant premium. Buyers will not pay this pre…

Industrial farming based on huge amounts of cheap oil is not sustainable either. Think about all the oil/gas used in fertilizer production, pesticides, mechanization, harvesting, processing, storage, trucking, packaging.

Every step of the industrial food production process involves fossil fuels, which have a limited production flow, more or less flat since 2005. Large and growing countries like China and India will demand and are receiving increasing amounts of global oil production. This forces prices to rise, and smaller, poorer players are priced out, reducing demand.

Google for Export Land Model, to read about this and other topics.

An example of this predicament is the UK who fairly transparently did a deal with Libya in return for securing gas supplies. Odious, but they had very little choice in order to secure energy.

And as the oil price rises, food costs rise too.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

#47

Post by palish »

wisty wrote: post #42
palish wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I deny that it contributes to obesity for all people. I believe no one can actually claim people understand nutrition --- in the same way we understand Newtonian physics, for example. I've never cared about what I eat. If I want something, I eat it. When I'm full, I stop. Over the last two years, my weight has stayed between 210lbs and 220lbs. I'm lucky. But I'm also a datapoint. Since some people can simply not care…

I doubt the whole "metabolism" thing. 90% of the people I meet with a "gland problem" also drink about half a gallon of Coke every day, and snack on chips or sweets. Maybe they have a super-cream frappacino after work, but don't watch that because it's just a coffee. They usually have terrible habits, are are in complete denial about how many calories those habits constitute.

I drink 88oz of coke every day. A gallon is 128oz. I also snack on chips a lot. I'm definitely not skinny, but by your logic, I should be about to overtake Gabe Newell. I'm not.

Most people are arrogant and think they know more than they do. The truth is, we know very little about nutrition (in an absolute sense, like "I absolutely know that if I hit that ball with X force, it will move Y meters").

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

#48

Post by absconditus »

Jach wrote: post #29
simonsarris wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is cheddar usually orange? I think all of the cheddar I have ever bought in NH and VT is a pale yellow. I'm crazy about cheeses, but the only orange cheeses I've ever seen were all very poor brands, unless I'm forgetting something.

Pictures are helpful. http://www.pepperidgefarm.com/Images/Products/prdLarge_12053... for Cheddar Goldfish, this is what's usually in stores: http://staticc.wisegeek.com/images/calories/calories-in-medi... I (and I suspect most Americans) would never associate something like this with Cheddar Cheese: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Somerset-Cheddar.jpg (or any other pic on the page for that matter, except for "#19"…

You specifically want a cheddar that has been aged for multiple years; three years is common. Grafton cheddar from Vermont is considered to be very good cheese.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

#49

Post by athst »

sliverstorm wrote: post #37
sudonim wrote: post #9

Tldr; 100% juice like tropicana is deoxygenated to remove all the flavor and make it last a long time and then natural flavor is added to make the taste consistent. They shouldn't be able to say its 100% juice. WTF.

Why not? When your blood delivers oxygen to your cells, it becomes deoxygenated. Is it no longer blood? If the natural flavor they add is made of juice (orange or not), and they add it to juice, is the result no longer juice?

When the package says "100% juice," I think most people assume that means that the juice is squeezed from the orange and it goes into the carton without any processing or additives. I'm sure that's the impression that they're trying to give by putting that on the label. The fact that this isn't the case, and that the juice is actually highly processed in a very unnatural manner, is pretty alarming.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

#50

Post by palish »

saturn wrote: post #41
palish wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I deny that it contributes to obesity for all people. I believe no one can actually claim people understand nutrition --- in the same way we understand Newtonian physics, for example. I've never cared about what I eat. If I want something, I eat it. When I'm full, I stop. Over the last two years, my weight has stayed between 210lbs and 220lbs. I'm lucky. But I'm also a datapoint. Since some people can simply not care…

No offence, but only an American could make the argument that because their weight has stayed "only" between 95kg and 100kg that they are living proof that people can eat what they want and not get fat. Unless you are a bodybuilder, which I am guessing you are not since they most certainly do care about what they eat, you are likely considered overweight in every other country on earth.

Well, here I am. Judge for yourself: http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/24114_337315700...

I drink over half gallon of soda a day, and survive mostly on $1 McChickens.

So I'm either a freak of nature, or we don't know as much as we think we do about nature.

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