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The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by KristenM »

rmason wrote: post #8

Hate to be cynical but I suspect the whole point of the article is to sell you on buying a juicer. The domain is owned by a copy writing firm called http://www.wonderworkingwords.com/ . I can't prove it but I am willing to wager that a juicer firm commissioned the article. The firms motto after all is 'words that sell'.

Good news! I'm not an industry shill. I'm a stay at home mom who homeschools my three kids and earns money blogging. If you read the disclosure statements on my site, you'll see that I never write paid posts or content. I do sell advertising, though, (from which I make a pretty penny, thank you) and the link is a link to a page full of text ads. I used to be a copywriter, but haven't done that since my blog took off about three years ago. It is true that I operate this blog under the business name I created for my copywriting business, but that's mostly so that I don't have to create a new company or tax ID.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by rmason »

corin_ wrote: post #19
pizzaburger wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did we read the same article? The one I read promoted eating fruit over drinking juice: "Juice removed from the fruit is just concentrated fructose without any of the naturally-occurring fiber, pectin, and other goodies that make eating a whole fruit good for you [...] So, my first piece of advice is to get out of the juice habit altogether. It’s expensive, and it’s not worth it."

Perhaps you missed the line "My second piece of advice is to only drink juices that you make yourself" , which is soon followed by a nice SEO-friendly link on the text "See here for where to buy juicers and Vitamix blenders." ? Why would a juice machine company want people buying juice from shops?

Maybe he missed the part on their website where they said the firm uses 'journalism' to generate publicity for their clients.

I've mentioned on here before but the best book I read in grade school was Vance Packard's The Hidden Persuaders about how PR and advertising people manipulate public opinion. Sorry to say this fifty year old book is out of print, check your library and you won't be sorry.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by [deleted] »

pizzaburger wrote: post #14
rmason wrote: post #8

Hate to be cynical but I suspect the whole point of the article is to sell you on buying a juicer. The domain is owned by a copy writing firm called http://www.wonderworkingwords.com/ . I can't prove it but I am willing to wager that a juicer firm commissioned the article. The firms motto after all is 'words that sell'.

Did we read the same article? The one I read promoted eating fruit over drinking juice: "Juice removed from the fruit is just concentrated fructose without any of the naturally-occurring fiber, pectin, and other goodies that make eating a whole fruit good for you [...] So, my first piece of advice is to get out of the juice habit altogether. It’s expensive, and it’s not worth it."

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Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by sorbus »

scotch_drinker wrote: post #15
crikli wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Follow the money for all of this food-related propaganda and you'll find an industry funding it that stands to benefit somehow.

Seriously? The author says you're better off eating only food you grow yourself or that you can verify the origins of. I don't think that's an industry lobby's viewpoint.

Does the fertilizer industry have a lobby?

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by corin_ »

rmason wrote: post #22
corin_ wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you missed the line "My second piece of advice is to only drink juices that you make yourself" , which is soon followed by a nice SEO-friendly link on the text "See here for where to buy juicers and Vitamix blenders." ? Why would a juice machine company want people buying juice from shops?

Maybe he missed the part on their website where they said the firm uses 'journalism' to generate publicity for their clients. I've mentioned on here before but the best book I read in grade school was Vance Packard's The Hidden Persuaders about how PR and advertising people manipulate public opinion. Sorry to say this fifty year old book is out of print, check your library and you won't be sorry.

I already work in advertising ;)

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by palish »

Pointsly wrote: post #16
martey wrote: post #6

I don't think that the health conclusions of this piece (don't drink orange juice from the supermarket!) are warranted. All the sources listed in it lead back to Alissa Hamilton's book "Squeezed." While not having read it, all of the information I can find suggest that Hamilton is not trying to suggest that orange juice is unhealthy. For example, this interview in the Boston Globe - http://articles.boston.com/2009-02…

Regardless of the health conclusions - you can't deny the amount of sugar in single cup - absolutely contributes to the obesity we are all facing.

I deny that it contributes to obesity for all people. I believe no one can actually claim people understand nutrition --- in the same way we understand Newtonian physics, for example.

I've never cared about what I eat. If I want something, I eat it. When I'm full, I stop. Over the last two years, my weight has stayed between 210lbs and 220lbs. I'm lucky. But I'm also a datapoint.

Since some people can simply not care about what they eat, and they don't get fat, then I'd bet money other people can watch what they eat and still get fat. And of course, for other people, watching what they eat will make them skinnier.

The point is, everyone is different, and no one can say with a straight face that we understand nutrition well enough to make broad claims like "the amount of sugar in a single cup of orange juice contributes to the obesity we're all facing".

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by Jach »

scotch_drinker wrote: post #15
crikli wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Follow the money for all of this food-related propaganda and you'll find an industry funding it that stands to benefit somehow.

Seriously? The author says you're better off eating only food you grow yourself or that you can verify the origins of. I don't think that's an industry lobby's viewpoint.

As others have pointed out, there are a bunch of food processing companies around like the Magic Bullet. They don't really care where you get your food from, but if they can convince you to buy/grow more whole food instead of juice or apple sauce or whatever it is you normally buy from the store, they stand to profit because people still want their juice. There are also knife companies, garden care, etc.

Edit: The author has posted here and claims only selling ad space, so it may not necessarily be this author, but it's still aimed at getting viewers and ad revenue. Follow the money trail is indeed good advice, of course just because money's involved doesn't mean there's a problem.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by Jach »

jerf wrote: post #20
socksy wrote: post #18

If this is the case, wouldn't it be cheaper to take sweetened water, add food colouring and flavouring? I assume someone's probably doing it already.

It would be. But then they have to call it something other than "100% Florida Orange Juice".

Or, like they have done with the word "Natural" and its qualifiers, lobby for being able to advertise what normal people would call falsehoods.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by Jach »

simonsarris wrote: post #4
pg wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The orange color you associate with cheddar is artificial. Originally it was due to annatto, though they may use something else now.

Is cheddar usually orange? I think all of the cheddar I have ever bought in NH and VT is a pale yellow. I'm crazy about cheeses, but the only orange cheeses I've ever seen were all very poor brands, unless I'm forgetting something.

Pictures are helpful. http://www.pepperidgefarm.com/Images/Products/prdLarge_12053... for Cheddar Goldfish, this is what's usually in stores: http://staticc.wisegeek.com/images/calories/calories-in-medi...

I (and I suspect most Americans) would never associate something like this with Cheddar Cheese: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Somerset-Cheddar.jpg (or any other pic on the page for that matter, except for "#19": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheddar_cheese )

I'll have to try some VT cheddar sometime. I stopped defending cheddar's taste (which is none, though I still eat it) ever since I was exposed to real cheeses in my junior high French class.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by hollerith »

palish wrote: post #26
Pointsly wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of the health conclusions - you can't deny the amount of sugar in single cup - absolutely contributes to the obesity we are all facing.

I deny that it contributes to obesity for all people. I believe no one can actually claim people understand nutrition --- in the same way we understand Newtonian physics, for example. I've never cared about what I eat. If I want something, I eat it. When I'm full, I stop. Over the last two years, my weight has stayed between 210lbs and 220lbs. I'm lucky. But I'm also a datapoint. Since some people can simply not care…

Yeah, "you cannot deny" is drastically overconfident even though a well-to-do, first-world person picked at random is probably better off ingesting less fructose than they currently ingest.
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