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California's dry season is turning into a permanent state of being

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Re: California's dry season is turning into a permanent state of being

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Anyone worrying about what you can regarding climate change, it's nice to stop driving etc but the big issue is fossil fuel consumption. That's in the hands of big money. How that changes is another story but they've been clever to put the blame on domestic, urban consumers when we're a tiny minority of the polluters. Knowing that should help those keen to help out know better where to look. In the meantime, no or li…

Is "big money" doing it for no particular reason though? My impression is that it's mostly large enterprises that, at the end of the day, serve consumers, so consumers are ultimately deciding, and so far, very few of them care enough.

Even among those who are very vocal about climate change and ask for regulation, to many, overseas vacations are more important.

Re: California's dry season is turning into a permanent state of being

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They're really just stupid out here. I don't think this is a fair statement and rather it seems like you want just to put a label on the whole state to avoid having to research into why didn't California build more reservoirs; frankly, to me it makes you look like a troll.

On the one hand, it's the same reason we stopped building freeways: federal funding dried up - they own almost all the dams because they own almost all the land. On the other hand, as a Californian, I couldn't agree more with the GP.

Watch out, agreeing with a human experience will get you banned on this fascist forum

Re: California's dry season is turning into a permanent state of being

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> I don't think Europe or the U.S will volunteer to absorb tens of millions of refugees if there are other solutions. Who said anything about volunteering? Europe couldn't stop ~1 million people from entering in 2015, so what makes you think they can stop 50 to 100 times that number? > Greenland, Siberia etc. Former frozen wasteland will become habitable "Billions of Acres of Cropland Lie Within a New Frontier. So Do…

There is a difference between wouldn’t stop and couldn’t stop, I don’t think Europe really tried that hard?

It's much like they US could have technically stayed in Vietnam forever, but they didn't, because there was no popular support at home.

Re: California's dry season is turning into a permanent state of being

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These droughts were anticipated, but here in California preparing for climate change means preaching at others, and setting up a carbon exchange. Not a single new reservoir has been built since 1979. It's impossible to take California seriously about much of anything, but especially not regarding the environment: "In 1979, California’s population was a little more than 23 million. Today, it is more than 39 million. Y…

I’m all for building new reservoirs but you’re incredibly wrong. It’s weird hearing this because I live 500 feet away from a new reservoir built in the 2000s. Literally. I take walks out there, stare at the man-made lake, walk pass by the museum where all the archaeological discoveries were made. I don’t know what kind of subpar journalism goes on at the National Review but they couldn’t be more wrong. https://en.m.w…

The National Review is more focused on developing political ideas than it is on journalism, kind of like Jacobin is on the left. In particular, coming up with new ways to hate California seems to be a popular pastime on the right, since California turned towards the left after the 90s.

Re: California's dry season is turning into a permanent state of being

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These droughts were anticipated, but here in California preparing for climate change means preaching at others, and setting up a carbon exchange. Not a single new reservoir has been built since 1979. It's impossible to take California seriously about much of anything, but especially not regarding the environment: "In 1979, California’s population was a little more than 23 million. Today, it is more than 39 million. Y…

> Not a single new reservoir has been built since 1979

This is not an accurate simplification of "did not construct one additional, large-scale water storage project." The have been a number of new reservoirs constructed since 1979. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Valley_Lake

There are also sort of a lot that have been proposed, but have not been funded, due in part to the 1986 federal law that banned federal funding for water projects unless most of the funding came from other sources.

The emphasis on population growth IMO suggests that the water consumption has just increased linearly with it, which is not true:

> Total urban water use has been falling even as the population grows.

Also urban water use is a fairly minor part, and it looks like agricultural water use is actually also down in the last few decades too:

> Farm production generated 38% more gross state product in 2015 than in 1980, even though farm water use was about 14% lower

https://cwc.ca.gov/-/media/CWC-Website/Files/Documents/2019/...

These sorts of claims that suggest California needs to increase its water supply by 50% should be argued using water usage data, not using population numbers.

p.s. if all the reservoirs proposed were magically built this year, I think the total new water supply would be insignificant compared to the existing huge reservoirs in prime locations.

Re: California's dry season is turning into a permanent state of being

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One of the things that has puzzled me for a long time is how little thought we have applied over time towards designing and building better homes. Energy and water usage are two elements of this.

Regarding water. Every time I wash my hands I wish that water went into a gray water tank instead of being wasted. This water, perhaps with some filtration (or maybe not [0]) could then be used for irrigation. The same is the case for the shower.

We try to take walks around the neighborhood every day. I am always amazed at the amount of water almost constantly running into storm drains due to overflowing/unmanaged lawn watering. If we designed homes to store water secondary use we would likely save enough water to make a huge difference. Washing the car or hosing-down the patio or driveway would also benefit from this immensely.

This water would most definitely be good for flushing the toilet. Why do we need clean drinking water (that's what's coming into your house) to flush the toilet? !!!

In other words, just about the only use for "first generation" water at the home would be drinking or cooking.

Why can't I dump the water I used to cook spaghetti into a sink that routes it into a holding tank? Why can't that water be used to flush the toilet?

All of this would require a design rethink and creating the incentives necessary to compel people to retrofit. New construction, by default, would come with these enhancements.

To go beyond this, imagine the water wasted by large buildings. A 5, 10, 20+ floor building a hotel perhaps or an apartment building with 300 units. The numbers are staggering.

As a general comment, everything in government or public infrastructure always seems to be about "more" rather than "more efficient" first. More lanes on the highway, rather than coming up with ways to make traffic more efficient (like punishing the guy doing 45 in the middle of a sea of cars who have to go around him, creating a traffic jam that ripples back for miles). Efficiency never seems to be discussed or even considered. Saving is never a parameter in the public discourse.

And so, neighborhoods like mine, built 20-some years ago, have, every day, perfectly good water flowing like rivers down the edge of the street to eventually find a storm drain.

Energy is another one. Dark roofs. Unbelievable. A few blocks away someone pained their house black! Wow. Air conditioning systems that do not have the ability or option to bring in cool filtered outside air in the evening in order to cool down the house "for free" (compared to running a 5 ton compressor, a fan would be free). Interesting that cars have had the option to recirculate inside air or suck-in outside air for as long as I can remember but we don't require this from homes by law. Or how about systems that cool down or warm-up walls as required in order to store energy rather than just circulate cold air, which has horrible thermal capacity?

Etc.

[0] A friend mentioned that hand and dish soap in low concentrations doesn't really harm lawns, trees or plants. I did not research this. If this isn't the case, I'm sure some form of simple filtration could resolve the matter.

Re: California's dry season is turning into a permanent state of being

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These droughts were anticipated, but here in California preparing for climate change means preaching at others, and setting up a carbon exchange. Not a single new reservoir has been built since 1979. It's impossible to take California seriously about much of anything, but especially not regarding the environment: "In 1979, California’s population was a little more than 23 million. Today, it is more than 39 million. Y…

>They're really just stupid out here.

Oh, they are not stupid. I can bet the ruling class in California has their own generators and does not have to drain their swimming pools due to water shortage. In fact, they are very successful at manipulating the general public at turning a blind eye at them and even not wanting all these things. Why build infrastructure for the plebs if you can pick a few activist groups, give them the power to bully the fellow plebs over zero-cost topics, and keep the society busy? This is very smart. USSR has failed at it, so did many other dictatorships. The U.S. situation appears pretty stable. People seem to genuinely believe that shaming your neighbor for having kids and demanding that schools drop math exams will solve all the problems.

Ironically, U.S. used to do use the divide-and-conquer approach overseas some decades ago. They would support multiple competing guerilla groups to keep them in a permanent state of fight, and prevent the territory from becoming strong enough to be a threat. Now the same tactic is aimed at your own middle class and nobody seems to care...

Re: California's dry season is turning into a permanent state of being

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These droughts were anticipated, but here in California preparing for climate change means preaching at others, and setting up a carbon exchange. Not a single new reservoir has been built since 1979. It's impossible to take California seriously about much of anything, but especially not regarding the environment: "In 1979, California’s population was a little more than 23 million. Today, it is more than 39 million. Y…

Would more reservoirs help? Excess retention is useless if the water isn't coming in.

We had flood warnings a few years ago in the central valley. California has always been boom or bust for water.

Re: California's dry season is turning into a permanent state of being

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These droughts were anticipated, but here in California preparing for climate change means preaching at others, and setting up a carbon exchange. Not a single new reservoir has been built since 1979. It's impossible to take California seriously about much of anything, but especially not regarding the environment: "In 1979, California’s population was a little more than 23 million. Today, it is more than 39 million. Y…

This isn't a very complete picture of what's going on with water in California. Even as population has almost doubled, and as agricultural output increases, we have decreased our water usage: https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/ There's a lot to be said for simply not wasting lots of water. If California stopped growing alfalfa, a low value product that is the largest agricultural use of water, w…

You might look at the politics around building a desalination plant near Monterey. A lot of people are against building the plant because they think we can avoid it through water conservation and a water reclamation project.

Although I haven’t studied it enough to say for sure, this seems short-sighted to me. In particular, the water restrictions prevent building more housing, and existing water sources seem vulnerable.

Re: California's dry season is turning into a permanent state of being

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Doesn't sound likely. You will be able to settle tens of millions of refugees in Greenland, Siberia etc. Former frozen wasteland will become habitable. I don't think Europe or the U.S will volunteer to absorb tens of millions of refugees if there are other solutions.

> I don't think Europe or the U.S will volunteer to absorb tens of millions of refugees if there are other solutions. Who said anything about volunteering? Europe couldn't stop ~1 million people from entering in 2015, so what makes you think they can stop 50 to 100 times that number? > Greenland, Siberia etc. Former frozen wasteland will become habitable "Billions of Acres of Cropland Lie Within a New Frontier. So Do…

Europe - or Germany specifically - made a humanitarian decision to allow civilians, fleeing a civil war that had claimed half a million lives and displaced 5 million, refuge as per UN rules. They could easily have said no - like many most other European countries did.
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