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After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Post by theshadowknows »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #164
lethologica wrote: post #95

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How much of an impact do you think this will have on the non tech savvy user though? Most people already don't care about ad tracking, location tracking, etc. I think your standard user will just shrug this off and go "eh, I have nothing to hide and it's good for the kids"

"Apple is scanning every image you upload" will certainly have a measurable effect on non-tech users, even if the details are more nuanced.

I won’t be surprised if there’s a class action launched soon.

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Post by cyanydeez »

heavyset_go wrote: post #54
cletus wrote: post #28

And... Apple misses the point of the criticism completely. This problem is the capability, not what it's used for. Any such capability will be abused by new use cases be it terrorism, drug trafficking, human trafficking or whatever. Plus there will inevitably be unauthorized access. The only way to prevent all this is for the system not to exist. I don't buy into theories that Apple is being pressured or coerced on a…

> This problem is the capability, not what it's used for. Any such capability will be abused by new use cases be it terrorism, drug trafficking, human trafficking or whatever. Plus there will inevitably be unauthorized access. Apple even says it themselves[1]: > This program is ambitious, and protecting children is an important responsibility. These efforts will evolve and expand over time. [1] https://www.apple.com/…

from ptrotecting children to global ip dmca takedowns.

we all know this is gonna be dmca 2.0

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Post by cyanydeez »

nimbius wrote: post #90
cletus wrote: post #28

And... Apple misses the point of the criticism completely. This problem is the capability, not what it's used for. Any such capability will be abused by new use cases be it terrorism, drug trafficking, human trafficking or whatever. Plus there will inevitably be unauthorized access. The only way to prevent all this is for the system not to exist. I don't buy into theories that Apple is being pressured or coerced on a…

I just have to wonder who green-lit this idea to begin with. Every single other company is riding a post-covid tidal wave of sales. as WFH becomes a reality for so many workers, apple products are positioned to really take center stage for a massive segment of consumers... and then this. Apple intentionally injects uncertainty and controversy? what were they thinking?? sure its just phones right now but im sure mac u…

normalize security for children and then get paid to dmca 2.0 ip owners content.

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Post by o0-0o »

goodells wrote: post #65
heavyset_go wrote: post #54

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> This problem is the capability, not what it's used for. Any such capability will be abused by new use cases be it terrorism, drug trafficking, human trafficking or whatever. Plus there will inevitably be unauthorized access. Apple even says it themselves[1]: > This program is ambitious, and protecting children is an important responsibility. These efforts will evolve and expand over time. [1] https://www.apple.com/…

I can't wait until /child-safety 404s or redirects to /safety and there's a wall of marketing blurb (possibly only in Chinese at first) that explains how 'national security' concerns are reported to the CCP. This has totally pushed me over the edge, though I'll admit I was oblivious to begin with. My plan is to replace the MacBooks with a Thinkpad P15 gen 2 running Ubuntu and replace the iPhone with something running…

I might be reading between the lines here, but you know that Thinkpads are made in China, by a Chinese company, Lenovo.

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Post by aasasd »

heavyset_go wrote: post #70
ls612 wrote: post #18

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A FISA subpoena or an NSL can only compel Apple to give certain types of information that Apple already has. They can’t compel Apple to gather information they don’t already have.

Check this out[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)#/...

Turns out that evil bastards also have no sense of beauty or proper data formatting.

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Post by katbyte »

goodells wrote: post #65
heavyset_go wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This problem is the capability, not what it's used for. Any such capability will be abused by new use cases be it terrorism, drug trafficking, human trafficking or whatever. Plus there will inevitably be unauthorized access. Apple even says it themselves[1]: > This program is ambitious, and protecting children is an important responsibility. These efforts will evolve and expand over time. [1] https://www.apple.com/…

I can't wait until /child-safety 404s or redirects to /safety and there's a wall of marketing blurb (possibly only in Chinese at first) that explains how 'national security' concerns are reported to the CCP. This has totally pushed me over the edge, though I'll admit I was oblivious to begin with. My plan is to replace the MacBooks with a Thinkpad P15 gen 2 running Ubuntu and replace the iPhone with something running…

check out the Framework Laptop - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rkTgPt3M4k

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Post by katbyte »

heavyset_go wrote: post #129
frickinLasers wrote: post #96

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"Build this. Don't explain why" is not chess. It would be a perfectly logical order from the power structures Snowden exposed. eta: It makes way more sense to me than Apple actually thinking this was a good idea.

> It would be a perfectly logical order from the power structures Snowden exposed. Snowden exposed that Apple was actively part[1] of the PRISM data collection and surveillance program targeting Americans. Apple also voluntarily gives up customer's data when requested by the US government for about 120,000 individuals a year[2]. They also hand over the data for over 31,000 users/accounts in response to FISA and NSL r…

maybe they want to stop giving up customer data and doing this on the phone is the only way to do e2ee backups - can't hand over what you can't decrypt.

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Post by userbinator »

pembrook wrote: post #159
jollybean wrote: post #128

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This I think is a bit of HN myopia. I've talked around and nobody I know is even aware of this, when I brought it up, they didn't care about the issue. It's not news in the commons, it's not on CNN, Fox or MSNBC right now as a headline. It's one of those tertiary concerns that frustrates some groups, but most people are not aware and would only marginally maligned, and a good 2/3 of people really don't care. I suspec…

Just wait until the September event. Apple’s media attention quadruples during that time. “Apple creates authoritarian government wet dream” will be the main narrative coming out of the iPhone event. Not the new phone. And investors will not be happy.

Unfortunately, it seems the majority of the population are assuredly already rather authoritarian-leaning.

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Post by willis936 »

zepto wrote: post #175
CommieBobDole wrote: post #75

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The thing that strikes me as most suspicious is their insistence on keeping the client-side scanning feature while wrapping it in all sorts of supposed restrictions so it's essentially server-side scanning, just implemented on the client device for some reason. If the problem is "We need to scan stuff on iCloud for CSAM" then "Let's build a client-side scanning agent and distribute it to hundreds of millions of devic…

I assume their goal is to turn on E2E for what gets stored on their servers. Right now, they have to hand over anyone’s photo library if they are ordered to do so. If they turn on E2E that will no longer be possible, and this will be strictly better and harder to abuse. That doesn’t mean this mechanism isn’t offensive. It just is better from a privacy point of view for them to do this and enable E2E.

Notice how they haven't done that though. It would be trivial to do. Just change all of the private keys to ones supplied by the clients. But they haven't done that. Why would you expect them to do that when they are taking steps away from individual privacy? Leaving a hypothetical option on the table that costs them nothing to do means they actively do not want to do it. So why would they do it?

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Post by whatever_dude »

adventured wrote: post #71
post_break wrote: post #50

Apple these days is the type of company to make a mistake, think they are never wrong, blame anyone but themselves and then change a little bit, only for it to go over like a dead balloon. It reminds me of the Apple Silicon dev kit. No refunds, ok refunds but you have to spend them in a certain time, ok fine you can use them for a longer period and for anything. They are probably completely flabbergasted that people…

They've been like that since the early days of the company, it's core to their culture, which was built by Steve Jobs. Apple has always had an elitist snobbery at their center, such that if you don't get a thing then you're wrong. That's what Think Different is all about, that's a hyper arrogant proclamation that could only be spewed out of an elitist never-wrong orifice, it's borderline assholic in nature. Part of t…

Eh, I would go even deeper: the original Macintosh keyboard didn't have arrow keys because you shouldn't need it according to z Jobs. People complained and Apple held their feet for a long time until giving up and adding the goddamn arrow keys. That's always been very emblematic of Apple for me.

(Hard to find a good citation link on a phone, bit the story's out there.)

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